UQ Holder Chapter 65 Manga Review (Negima Redux!)

ユーキューホルダー! Chapter 65 Manga Review
UQ Holder Chapter 65

SPOILER Summary/Synopsis: 

UQ Holder Chapter 65With Fate showing up to see Negi’s entry form, Touta and his UQ Holder teammates are not happy, but Yukihima, as Eva, shuts them up and checks the signature, confirming it is Negi’s. As Fate and Eva silently contemplate this, Touta and the other UQ Holder members (sans Santa, who was not part of the team when they fought Fate) demand answers from Eva. Eva is going to explain when suddenly, the entire group is transported elsewhere, where Nagi Springfield and Negi Springfield stand.

Negi greets his training master as she and Fate race toward the pair, both wanting answers as to their location. Fate starts to ask about the Mage of the Beginning’s “resonance,” but Negi cuts him off, saying it isn’t what he thinks. Before Negi can continue, Nagi and Negi are bound from fabric strands emerging from the ground. The Mage of the Beginning emerges, her cape binding both Nagi and Negi. She sees and acknowledges Touta, causing Eva to freak out. She and Fate start an attack and the entire group ends back up at the coffee shop.

Touta feels a pang of something in his heart at having seen Eva’s reaction to Negi and Nagi. He wants to help her and tells her so, asking what was going on in the process. Karin wants to know too, but Eva apologizes to Touta, ordering him to withdraw his application in the tournament. Further, she states that she and Fate will fight in the tournament and she wants him to forget the events of today and never speak of them again.

To further emphasize her will, she orders him back to HQ, then orders the others not to help Touta. She includes a special order to Kirie to not fund Touta. When Touta asks why, Eva tells him coldly that she doesn’t need him.

Thoughts/Review:

Well now, well now. Talk about massive plot twists. Before the spoilers came out, I was thinking, “Man, I’m not really keen on a tournament arc, but if Eva is around, it could be OK.” Now, I’m really wondering how much of a tournament we’ll even get.  More on that in a bit.

While this chapter proves nothing, it does seem to give credence to my own thoughts regarding the Mage of the Beginning. The popular theory has been that the Life-Maker body-hops, so that when someone defeats the MotB, MotB simply uses his Life-Maker skills and takes over another body, thus making them the Life-Maker/Mage of the Beginning. I understood why folks would think that based on the very limited information we’d seen, but there were way too many problems with this theory for me to accept it, although I’ve repeated said that you guys were probably right considering how wrong I’d been on my Negi is Nagi theory. (I could talk about why I think I was right until Akamatsu-sensei made the changes to the Magic World arc, but I’m not going down that path.)

Ever since we got to see the apparent Mage of the Beginning in chapter 325 of Negima, I have speculated that this is in fact Amateru, the daughter of the Life-Maker/Mage of the Beginning.

So, assuming Akamatsu-sensei isn’t having fun with us, it would seem that the Mage of the Beginning, aka: the Lifemaker, is a woman.  Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if she were Amateru based on her comments regarding humanity.  I got the sense that she was not human but I highly doubt she’s an artificial being either.

This is what I think is going on. Amateru is the great mage of legend that saved the world. I think that Zecht is the knight who protected her. For whatever reason, the two became immortal, but of the highest caliber. Throughout the 2600+ years of their existence, they’ve apparently been looking for a way to end it all, based on remarks from both the woman and Zecht in Negima. So rather than body-hopping, I think that the female MotB is out looking for things that can help her in her studies of immortality and this female form is her true form.

The experiment on Eva is one such study. I think her encounter with Nagi during the war was another such experiment, whereby she decided to allow him to fight her (partially because it would be entertaining to her). He defeats her, but surprise, Zecht reveals his true identity to Nagi and vanishes. While the female MotB regenerates, Zecht carries on their plan by activating Tertium (Fate) until years later, Nagi has to make a sacrifice to try to seal the MotB to stop her from carrying on again.

We know from the end of Negima that somehow, Negi saves Nagi. However, as seen in this chapter of UQ Holder, the MotB was not defeated and eventually, Negi appears to have fallen (or sacrificed himself) to stop her.

I firmly think that right now, the female MotB has both Negi and Nagi held captive and in a state where they will not die nor age. I found Fate’s remark on resonance to be interesting because it can mean to be in a state of resonant, which means “strongly affecting someone especially with a particular quality.” A  better definition might be, “intensified and enriched by or as if by resonance.” So the female MotB is looking to do something for herself with Negi and Nagi, and she sees Touta as the third element she’ll need.

UQ Holder Chapter 65

One thing I will say is that as an agent of the MotB, no matter if I’m right or of the body-hopping theory is right, Fate knows a ton, and so Akamatsu-sensei has him exist, stage right. Eva also leaves stage-right, likely because she knows more.  I rather hate this whole, “We have the answers, but we’re keeping you in the dark to create artificial drama” style of writing. Even though I’m excited by the prospect of learning more, the fact that we are being prevented from learning more because of “reasons” annoys me. (And we had to deal with that in Negima concerning the ultimate fate of Negi’s mother, where all these characters with information refused to tell Negi because “reasons.”)

So where does this leave us?

Well, while I can see Touta trying to sneak into this tournament, I can also see him and the others back at UQH HQ and being assigned another mission somewhere else. With the MotB on Mars and having to resort to summoning magic to get a look at her target, Touta isn’t completely safe, but if he were assigned to work with other UQH members, he’ll be OK until the plot demands that MotB spring a trap.

Anyway, I just get the feeling based on the way this chapter went that we won’t be seeing Fate nor Eva for a long while, and that the MotB thing won’t be brought up again for a while other than possibly having Touta mention it initially in the next chapter. We’ll see.

Regardless, this chapter was something none of us expected when we learned about a tournament and Negi sending in an application. There’s still too little information to say what theory is correct, but to me, seeing the female MotB again strongly suggests that this is her true form and that she’s not body snatching.

Let the discussions begin! 😈

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89 Responses to “UQ Holder Chapter 65 Manga Review (Negima Redux!)”

  1. “It’s not like you to say sorry, I was waiting on a different history… This time I’m mistaken, for handing you a heart worth breaking!”
    …Oh, my bad, Touta, I got a little carried away at Eva saying she doesn’t need you. A-hem… Let’s talk about the chapter. In the spoiler I joked about “Fate and Eva reacting to a pricey bill”, and it turns out it WAS a pricey bill: Two Springfields in her hands, and the MotB still wants Touta as insurance.
    Judging by their actions in this chapter, I’m starting to believe their oposition is really some sort of facade(note how Fate asks if Negi wants both of them to help him), but more important: What the hell is this resonance Fate speaks of?
    To me, it might be a time limit of sorts, before she can steal and use Negi’s body for herself, but that’s just random speculation.
    I never considered Zect being on the Lifemaker side from the beginning – always assumed he said those ominous things because he had just been possessed – but hey, that’s a nice theory you’ve got, It will take me by surprise if it turns out to be true. I do remember that when Nagi tried to tell Rakan about what really happened to Zect, Albireo stopped him.
    “With the MotB on Mars and having to resort to summoning magic to get a look at her target”
    …Psh, who needs magic when you have that awesome telescope? She could have seen Touta from Jupiter or Saturn if she wanted. Using magic was just for fun and giggles. *shot*
    And sweet, I was really right in my theory(and I totally said that thinking it was impossible to happen, too). I will avoid trying to predict the next chapter, because seriously, the history is going in a direction completely different from what I anticipated.
    I dunno about Fate and Eva disappearing for a while, but I think Touta will still manage to get in the tournament somehow – Mana is still around, she might get a way for him to join the fray. As for my opinion, I loved this chapter, gr8, r8 it 8/8.
    And… “I don’t need you, Touta.” …Ouch. This guy will listen to “Afraid” by The Neigbourhood for the rest of the week.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      What the hell is this resonance Fate speaks of?

      Yep, that is the question. That’s why I think she has both Nagi and Negi and is using them to do whatever it is she’s trying to do. Touta would appear to be the element that would make her efforts successful.

      I never considered Zect being on the Lifemaker side from the beginning – always assumed he said those ominous things because he had just been possessed – but hey, that’s a nice theory you’ve got

      I was apparently the only one who went that way back when Zecht was revealed to have survived the fight with MotB and disappeared in petals. The way that whole thing played out, it was as if Zecht had betrayed Nagi by revealing his true self, not as if Zecht had been possessed.

      I will avoid trying to predict the next chapter, because seriously, the history is going in a direction completely different from what I anticipated.

      I haven’t been as good as you on trying to avoid predicting the next chapter, but I no longer see the tournament as being a big thing like it was. In fact, I almost smell Akamatsu-sensei having trolled us big time. *lol*

      • Aki says:

        Well given what I said in the previous blog and what you suggested then it does make sense as to why Zecht didn’t appear in the scenario…

        What did bother me was that the Mage of Beginning was sealed in Mahora academy but then suddenly appeared in the Grave Keeper’s Palace and that just so happen to be Nagi. We’ve never got an answer for Zecht vs Nagi.

        We know Nagi had defeated the Mage of Beginning but he likely failed to kill her and her spirit remains whilst her body was destroyed. This resonance that Fate talks about is likely a synchronisation with her host to gain control of their body.

        Though Negi’s remark is a bit of concern… either way the mystery is on Touta… he is supposedly 4 years old, possesses Magia Erebia, was specifically attacked and is the key to saving Negi and is wanted by Fate, Eva and Mage of Beginning.

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          What did bother me was that the Mage of Beginning was sealed in Mahora academy but then suddenly appeared in the Grave Keeper’s Palace and that just so happen to be Nagi.

          A Nagi that was easily destroyed and vanished into petals. Yet Nagi was not destroyed, therefore that could not have been Nagi.

          We know Nagi had defeated the Mage of Beginning but he likely failed to kill her and her spirit remains whilst her body was destroyed. This resonance that Fate talks about is likely a synchronisation with her host to gain control of their body.

          That’s certainly very possible. The regeneration used by this female MotB may require things to be in place to expedite the regeneration process.

      • Wesley Nichols says:

        What I think we are seeing in the Negi Redux is Ken answering the plot line he abandoned when he had to end Negima (with Touta filling in the role Negi was supposed to play), because of copy right disputes with his publisher.

        What I expect to be revealed is that the Life Maker/ Mage of the beginning is Negi’s Mother as well as Eva’s and Both Eva being turned into a vampire and Negi’s learning Magea Arabea was an attempt to make them the new gods of the magic and since that failed she is going to try it with Touta (which is why he already KNOWS Magea Erabea)

        I also think that Negi has decided to help her and will play an antagonistic role in the series.

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          What I think we are seeing in the Negi Redux is Ken answering the plot line he abandoned when he had to end Negima (with Touta filling in the role Negi was supposed to play), because of copy right disputes with his publisher.

          Sensei owns the copyrights now, so he can do what he wants. And yeah, I think that UQ Holder is to do stories he didn’t do in Negima.

          What I expect to be revealed is that the Life Maker/ Mage of the beginning is Negi’s Mother as well as Eva’s and Both Eva being turned into a vampire and Negi’s learning Magea Arabea was an attempt to make them the new gods of the magic and since that failed she is going to try it with Touta (which is why he already KNOWS Magea Erabea)

          Well, it would be nice if we were able to learn more about Eva’s past, but I’m doubtful that Akamatsu-sensei will give us much more than he already has. 🙁

          • Wesley Nichols says:

            My interpretation of Negi’s line “It isn’t what you think” is that Negi has sided with the Life Maker/ Mage of the beginning and will end up being an antagonist in UQ Holder. I expect we will see him fight Fate and Eva and we will learn that Negi has become WAAAYYYY more powerful then Eva and Fate at their peak. I expect we will why Negi chose to side with the World Builder and in doing so, learn more about Eva and World Builder’s pasts.

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            My interpretation of Negi’s line “It isn’t what you think” is that Negi has sided with the Life Maker/ Mage of the beginning and will end up being an antagonist in UQ Holder.

            Knowing Negi, I have no problem with the notion that Negi has decided to help MotB because he thinks this is the right way to go. In terms of being an antagonist, that’s possible in terms of Eva and Fate leading the charge against MotB, not understanding the situation. However, if Negi is still Negi and not being controlled by MotB, then Negi should try to reach out to them or UQH to smooth things over, as he did when he went up against Fate and eventually won him over (after a battle, of course).

          • Aki says:

            That’s an interesting idea, fate did say negi had the qualities of a leader of an evil organisation. Also we don’t know what happened to arika…

            Nagi, arika and alberio went to fight the Mage but no news of arika was ever given.

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            I don’t remember anything being said about Arika fighting MotB.

    • cold_menthol says:

      If Eva and Fate really are gone for a while, there goes one (big) source of excitement from UQH!..

      Btw, mother-con Touta strikes again.

      • Aki says:

        Yeah but if Eva and Fate get wiped across the floor then it shows how powerful the new antagonist group are.

        • cold_menthol says:

          I’m not too interested in power level though. If the new antagonist group doesn’t offer interesting stories, then I won’t care much, however strong they are.

      • AstroNerdBoy says:

        If Eva and Fate really are gone for a while, there goes one (big) source of excitement from UQH!

        Yeah, but based on patterns, that’s what I expect to see.

        • I’d say it would be too predictable to go the Worf Effect route, judging by the direction this tournament is going and… Well, taking into account the current level Fate and Eva achieved(though the latter is weakened, she’s still at Fate’s level), I guess not. I think it’s more likely for them to either win the tournament or get exhausted after some hard battles in the finals – maybe even battling against other friends from the past (Fate, Eva vs Rakan, Albireo. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!)… or fighting Darth Negi and PalpatiNagi, if they appear somehow. Then, the LM appears and goes “Surprise, I bet you thought you’d seen the last of me. Now give me the Touta, since you don’t need him.” That could take place either during the battle or right after the conclusion – since the LM seems fond of wrecking people just when they think everything’s is going to be alright.

          I can see it happening after the battle if:
          1. The finals turns out to be Fate and Eva vs Touta and Kuro, in which case the MotB could take the oportunity to get Touta easily, even if s/he’s under the effect of some limitation, as everyone will be tired from the battle(Assuming they go the Rakan route and don’t fight as they would fight a mortal enemy).
          2. The finals is Fate and Eva vs People like Rakan and Albireo, in which case they would be REALLY exhausted and wouldn’t be able to do a thing – alternatively, the LM could get this chance to snatch Touta in the middle of their fight.
          I can see it happening during the battle if:
          1. Fate and Eva vs Negi and ???(Nagi?) – If this matchup happens, I can see them losing for obvious reasons, but somehow, I think the LM is more likely to appear during the battle. Judging by Negi’s words, it would seem he has something important to tell them and he might have joined the fray out of his own free will to meet Eva and Fate again as well as Touta – cue the MotB appearing right as they are reconciliating(it seems to be one of her hobbies).

          All of this is pure theory, though, with no sort of confirmation whatsoever, so I’m aware that I can be completely wrong and some of the ideas sound far-fetched.

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            For some reason, and I’m sure I’m wrong about this, I think the tournament thing is mostly a troll event. I may have a better idea after the new spoilers/chapter comes out.

  2. And I loved how Santa was “Dafuq you guys are talking about?” whenever he appeared. xD

  3. Dargor says:

    Put your tin foil hats on folks, ANB’s gone all conspiratorial on all of us. Don’t worry though, he’s probably still sobbing in a corner cradling his Negi=Nagi theory back from Negima. 😛

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      *LOL* I promise I won’t revive that theory, nor will I espouse a theory that I was right, but when Akamatsu-sensei changed the Magic World arc, he dumped it in order to have a new character through which he could put out backstory exposition (but he then had no way of dealing with this character as she’d not existed until the Magic World arc). 😉

      Joking aside, I’ll probably still be wrong about my Amateru theory, more so if Akamatsu-sensei is aware of this blog (which is doubtful, but possible).

  4. sagara14 says:

    Man !!!!….
    Its gonna be great, Cant wait for next chapter,
    I wonder, how touta related to MOB ? and why she/he want to catch him ?, \
    well…MOB had Negi and Nagi now, why she/he needs touta ?
    and What’s happen to Touta parents and why there is no special mention to them ?
    It just jumps from Negi (as Great Father) to their Grandchild (Touta) all along. Never mention his Son involved ?(Touta Parents).

    Man so much question need to be answered by akamatsu sensei !!!

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Man so much question need to be answered by akamatsu sensei !!!

      True, but I sense that we won’t be getting answers anytime soon.

    • chaosprophet says:

      Touta “parents” may not be his parents. With him just being 4 year old on UQH HQ data, the fact Fate once says he belongs to him as if his property, and the fact that the Konoe’s were scientists on the biological field. Touta may just be created.

      • AstroNerdBoy says:

        Touta may just be created.

        That’s what I tend to suspect, though he may have been created with DNA from Negi.

  5. nt says:

    Umm…where did you read this chapter?(I am abstaining from reading this review atm till i read the chapter myself first)

  6. NML says:

    What the hell is Touta? apparently he’s 4 years old and can use magia erebea, I’m guessing he has something sealed inside him, I used to think Negi was sealed inside him but I guess not.

    If MotB is Amateru, then maybe whatever has happened to her/him/it is the reason the pactios have disappeared, I believe Amateru is related to the pactio system in some way.

  7. Dargor says:

    I don’t expect the Royal magic or the Lifemakers bloodline becoming relevant ever again, unless the series has a swift change in direction away from Touta and the other Holders.

    As for your first point regarding the whole new character bent, erm…Me thinks the Lifemaker was always going to be a important plotline, unless we’re talking about Amertaru, in which case fairsih point? Seems pointless since no one (Even Albireo, who knows more about anything in the setting then anyone else) ever regards the Lifemaker as anything else, and nevermind the obvious creative problem putting someone like that down on the totem poll, leaving the temptation of having the *REAL* Lifemaker to go Mwa ha ha somewhere down the line.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      I don’t expect the Royal magic or the Lifemakers bloodline becoming relevant ever again, unless the series has a swift change in direction away from Touta and the other Holders.

      Assuming Touta has the DNA of Negi, then that would mean he comes from the Lifemaker bloodline. I think that’s the reason for officially making Touta the grandson of Negi.

      Me thinks the Lifemaker was always going to be a important plotline, unless we’re talking about Amertaru, in which case fairsih point?

      Yeah, I was mainly focused in on Amateru. Way back during the Negima days, I like the idea that she was still very much alive and that after having played hero, now does whatever it is she does for these millennia.

      Seems pointless since no one (Even Albireo, who knows more about anything in the setting then anyone else) ever regards the Lifemaker as anything else, and nevermind the obvious creative problem putting someone like that down on the totem poll, leaving the temptation of having the *REAL* Lifemaker to go Mwa ha ha somewhere down the line.

      Actually, I can see that happening.

  8. Jeff says:

    I have an interesting theory that might be true. First thing first i see everyone except Eva and Fate to go back to headquarters where there will be 1 last mission to find the last uq member(The vampire). This will be an arc since if there is a tournament i don see a time skip to it and having the vampire oin after the tournament.so after everything WE see a little more info about Negi and Nagi since the Motb will somehow find a way to interact with them since he is the Motb.I also see touta improving on the magia erebea.After everything i see now a time skip on them joining the tournament where Fate and eva join but when they meet against touta and kuromaru. With Touta winning proving to eva he’s good enough against negi.Then out of no where Negi +Nagi?? against touta and kuro. Obviously in the en touta will win but the Motb comes and takes kuro hostage. Maybe another arc to find kuro.WE could see somthing like the negima part where touta makes every girl fall in love with him since Karin and kirrie already “likes” him. Maybe another Sacrafice of touta like how negi sacraficed himself maybe .
    Thoughts and feedback appreciated

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      First thing first i see everyone except Eva and Fate to go back to headquarters where there will be 1 last mission to find the last uq member(The vampire).

      I can see this happening.

      I’m not convinced about the tournament thing. If Touta and company go back home and on a new mission, then I can see them keeping tabs on things once the tournament starts. How does Touta get into the tournament without being known by Eva/Fate/whomever?

      To be honest, I really can’t see where Akamatsu-sensei is going to go. I can see the whole tournament thing being a head fake with Touta never being involved. I can see other things as well.

      • Jeff says:

        With touta being so interested in negi. I see a way where he disobeys Eva since even if it’s a fake he wants answers from anyone even fake negi

  9. cold_menthol says:

    That’s an interesting and quite a feasible theory regarding MOTB and Zect. I also thought Zect was somehow involved with MOTB, but not that high up as her (pactio-)partner. But wait, what do you think about Nagi appearing after Eva managed to froze those “dolls” then?

    With MOTB playing this big part, I have a new hope for the Gravekeeper and Arika’s story, maybe even a bit more about Asuna.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      With MOTB playing this big part, I have a new hope for the Gravekeeper and Arika’s story, maybe even a bit more about Asuna.

      That would be nice.

      • Wesley Nichols says:

        What I think we are seeing in the Negi Redux is Ken answering the plot line he abandoned when he had to end Negima (with Touta filling in the role Negi was supposed to play), because of copy right disputes with his publisher.

        What I expect to be revealed is that the Life Maker/ Mage of the beginning is Negi’s Mother as well as Eva’s and Both Eva being turned into a vampire and Negi’s learning Magea Arabea was an attempt to make them the new gods of the magic and since that failed she is going to try it with Touta (which is why he already KNOWS Magea Erabea)

        I also think that Negi has decided to help her and will play an antagonistic role in the series.

        • Seimei says:

          “Ahem”

          The fact that I consider life-maker as a man is my business this is true. HOWEVER, there is a gift I am certain thing is that the life-maker is NOT Arika.

          For two reasons:
          1. the true body of life-maker who has an androgynous appearance (and not feminine, I persist and sign! ^^) Vaguely resembles to Arika (their haircuts and even their facial features are different. Arika is the descendant of the life-maker and not the life-maker himself. Just as the life-maker is not Amateru but his father. For it is against (VERY) possible that Amateru can be the Gravekeeper (unless the Gravekeeper is the wife of life-maker)

          2. Even more unstoppable: while Nagi and ala rubra fighting C-E and the life-maker in the mausoleum of Ostia, Arika struggled to try to CANCEL the erase ritual of mundus-magicus launched by the life-maker himself! And this being aboard of a ship several miles from the place of battles!

          You’re going to tell me that she was able to create a projection to fight Nagi, is technically possible but that does not alter the fact that she fought against C-E with Ala-Rubra, during the Great War (and even after, as it was her who saved Nagi when he fought C-E again in Istanbul 10 years later! ^^), that she tried to cancel the ceremony lifemaker. In addition, she was falsely accused of having just launched the great war in the heart of a show trial just after that. Nagi then risked his life to save her from death and Negi, his son had to fight tooth and nail to restore reputaton unfairly sullied of his mother.

          My friends, I think you VERY poorly understood the flashbacks of Rakan, Godel and Fate lol. You could tell me, the mother of Arika, I could understand, but Arika itself, no. ^^

          And I repeat, for me the life-maker is a MAN and the father of Amateru. Not Amateru herself (and even less Arika!^^)

          • Dargor says:

            I’d argue if the Lifemaker has been body hopping for a milennia, gender no longer really applies to him/her. All we know (Or so claims the Ositian royal family and their wacky magic) is that they claim descent from him/her. The rest is just conjecture until more details merge.

          • Seimei says:

            Dargor : Right! I made the same reflection fir myself.. I also think that in view of his nature of quasi-divine entity that can hold any body and identity : gave him a predefined genreder can turns out useless. Simply, even for asexual beings male pronoun is also used by default. This is why I find it still more easy to apprehend him to be, originally, a man. Curiously the soul of a woman in a man’s body is an idea that disturbs me more than the reverse. I do not know why you lol, maybe because of the use of the masculine pronoun for as asexual beings designate precisely.

            After if it turns out that he was originally a woman, I will adapt myself and it does take away from the “badass feeling” of the character.^^ But I think I would have trouble saying the pronoun “she” iif “she” appears in a male body, for example.

            In a female body say “he” does not troublerais me because as I said, there are anyway very effeminate male character in aspect in Japanim.

            And in view of the very wide and thick clothing worn by the lifemaker, the fact that one of his incarnation, could be a woman would be only slightly visible. (When I speak of a “female body” I do not speak of his original body androgynous, I specify ^^)

          • Seimei says:

            oops, I wanted to say : “the same reflection FOR myself”

  10. chaosprophet says:

    I think the theory he can take over other bodies have more evidence to it so far. You’re basing everything on a scene that is more alike a magic induced world than actual physical one. In any case chances are we will get that answer eventually.

    Regarding Amateru, maybe the Lifemaker is Amateru or maybe he is her father/mother as it have been said. Zect apparently is some kind of Youkai. After his “death” Rakan refers to him as “that old Youkai (あの妖怪じじぃ)”.

    I’m pleased that Eva seems to react much more to Negi than to Nagi.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      I think the theory he can take over other bodies have more evidence to it so far.

      To me, it doesn’t make sense. MotB is defeated by Nagi. So why not possess Nagi? Why possess Zecht instead? So apparently Nagi defeats MotB again and this time, MotB goes, “I’ll possess you, Nagi-chuu!” *lol* (Sorry, I’m out of it at the moment.) It doesn’t make sense to me, less so now that we are in a series about immortals. MotB would basically have to be a ghost if the possession theory is true, at least as I see it.

      Regarding Amateru, maybe the Lifemaker is Amateru or maybe he is her father/mother as it have been said. Zect apparently is some kind of Youkai. After his “death” Rakan refers to him as “that old Youkai (あの妖怪じじぃ)”.

      True. Zecht had lived a very long time which is why when his remark on having lived over 2 millennia before vanishing in front of Nagi just confirmed the notion that he was never human. But he might have been at some point. (Ditto Amateru, assuming she’s the female MotB.) Humans can become youkai in Japanese myths. Also, the first settlers on Mars used powerful magic to create a habitable world. Assuming that MotB, Amateru, and her knight were those first settlers, who knows what might have happened to them as a result of their creating the Magic World.

      I’m pleased that Eva seems to react much more to Negi than to Nagi.

      That’s an excellent point there. It makes sense to me considering her time with Nagi was very limited and she spent years with Negi.

      • chaosprophet says:

        There can be some simply explanations like Zect protecting Nagi when the LM tries to take over him, or even because getting Zect was the better choice. Nagi was strong but just a human while Zect is implied to be at least a bit immortal.

        Also I suspect Zect may be stronger than Nagi. He was the Ala Rubra member that was less battered by the fight against CE top 5. He also was the one able to hold the best against LM attack. The fact he was called master by Nagi may not have been just for show.

        Regarding Amateru, this is just a random theory, but I would find more interesting if she is the grave master and LM is really her dad. This means Eva can have an actual older sister alive (is Eva’s being his daughter is also meant to be on a literal sense) which can result in some funny interactions.

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          There can be some simply explanations like Zect protecting Nagi when the LM tries to take over him, or even because getting Zect was the better choice. Nagi was strong but just a human while Zect is implied to be at least a bit immortal.

          True, but Nagi is the one credited as defeating MotB, meaning he’s the strongest.

          Also I suspect Zect may be stronger than Nagi.

          Zecht was Nagi’s master, so that was certainly true at some point, even possibly at the end.

          Regarding Amateru, this is just a random theory, but I would find more interesting if she is the grave master and LM is really her dad.

          That would be interesting and may well be what’s going on.

          By the way, what was MK’s reaction to this chapter? Have you gauged what other Japanese fans are saying about the chapter, like on 2ch?

          • chaosprophet says:

            By his comments after the chapter he seems to like a quick and sudden development and is curious about how things will proceed now (will Touta enter the tournament? How? etc).

            Sorry but I’m not paying attention to the 2ch threads right now. I just check for the spoiler posts on the days it’s supposed to be out.

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            Sorry but I’m not paying attention to the 2ch threads right now. I just check for the spoiler posts on the days it’s supposed to be out.

            No problem sir. I wasn’t sure if you followed those or not. I’m just thankful you check them for spoilers. ^_^

  11. Clyde says:

    More than seeing the return of the LM, seeing an unchanged Nagi was totally unexpected: isn’t he supposed to be mortal ? He should be an old man of amost 100 years old!
    Anyway, my interest in this manga has suddenly increased, I didn’t expect we would have some serious information so early in the next chapters.
    I just hope that this time, we will be able to see the final fight, Negima’s sudden ending was so frustrating…

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      More than seeing the return of the LM, seeing an unchanged Nagi was totally unexpected: isn’t he supposed to be mortal ? He should be an old man of amost 100 years old!

      Yeah, but if he’s been held by the MotB (say in Cosmo Entelecheia), then he wouldn’t age (in my opinion).

      Anyway, my interest in this manga has suddenly increased, I didn’t expect we would have some serious information so early in the next chapters.

      Yeah, that was unexpected. We’ll see what happens though and whether the Negima stuff continues or it drops back to a pure UQH mode.

    • chaosprophet says:

      Negi did become immortal because of ME. Although it was still possible he would die as UQ itself is showing there is different degrees of immortality.

  12. Seimei says:

    Astro: I repeat myself but for me the life-maker is the FATHER of Amateru (I would consider it as a woman when I have formal proof ^^), not Amateru herself.

    Also for me the life-maker has really possessed Zeckt (and later Nagi) after being defeated. BUT as I said, probably was only a temporary measure (or something against which he could not fight in relation to his immortality) until his real body regenerates, which took several decades!

    If this theory is correct then the mage of the begining truly possesses the ultimate immortality (eternal youth, regeneration and reincarnation, all at once!). That said I like your theory that he seeks to die without ever succeeding.

    Zeckt for me is the “Averruncus 0”, the famous “prototype” mentioned by Qintum. He is not the knight of Amateru (he does not even look like the warrior on the statue with Amateru (and Amateru do not look at life-maker if you ask me (well, yes in fact she look like him, since this is her daughter, but she did not like him perfectly, it is proof that she is his daughter, rather than the life-maker himself ^^)

    HOWEVER, I consider it very likely that Amateru is actually … the Gravekeeper! (it’s either that or the Gravekeeper is the wife of life-maker and mother Amateru^^)

    • Seimei says:

      i wanted to say : “I will always consider him a man until I have formal evidence to the contrary”

      I add that on many occasions the emphasis very sure that Amateru is the daughter of life-maker in Negima. It leaves no ambiguity about that.

      And simply refer to the discussions with the subject in the past of Eva Negima to understand that she still talks about the person who trensformé as a man (“I avenged of this man,” “this man who has passed when you were weak “(according Chachazero),” he was a magician obsessed with immortality “, ect) so for me the life-maker is a man.

    • Seimei says:

      for chapter itself, I think the situation is somewhat similar to ifernalis scolasticum. To know that the life-maker was sealed on Mars by Negi and he can not leave. This would explain why he was inactive for 20 years and I can not imagine that Negi was completely crushed by him in 2065.

      HOWEVER, I think is going to happen is that the life-maker has regained enough of his strength to project materialization of himself to move in the solar system, like “proxy” of himself (like Albireo in the mahorra tornament in Negima).

      I think he will send one of his projections in the tournament.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Well, things are still very murky regarding the LM/MotB. That being said, outside myself, who thought that this female character (whether the true MotB or the heir to the MotB or whatever) that has the form that folks call the MotB would show up again? 😉

  13. Mattcgw says:

    With Raken’s movie skills, you would’ve thought they’d be premiered the biography of ala ruba already. Also Eva blushed when she saw nagi shipping ahoy.
    The real question is why touta was never anything about eishun! His other great-grandfather. It would’ve motivated him to become stronger. As well as a brilliant bladesman.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      The real question is why touta was never anything about eishun! His other great-grandfather. It would’ve motivated him to become stronger. As well as a brilliant bladesman.

      That’s a good question.

  14. Mattcgw says:

    *Raken

  15. Seimei says:

    Astro (and others) : Tien here is the passage that proves to me that the life-maker is a man for me: Negima chapter 109: http://www.mangareader.net/209-14942-13/mahou-sensei-negima/chapter-109.html

    Eva does say “the man who made my body like that” ^^ I do not see Eva err on the sex of her adoptive parent lol.

    • Seimei says:

      I drove the point home:

      Negima 333 http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-sensei-negima/333/13

      Eva quote again “The spell probably didn’t work on HIM”

      • chaosprophet says:

        I checked the chapters in Japanese to be sure. On chapter 333 Eva talks about him using a gender neutral word. But on chapter 109 she explicitly used a term to refer to a male.

        • Neither of those confirm he is a male, though. In chapter 109, Eva didn’t even know the guy in question was actually the MotB, so s/he could be in some dude’s body, and during chapter 333, as you just said, it was a gender neutral word.

          • Seimei says:

            Except that if the theory that the body is the original androgynous body of life-maker, and that he reinstated it, each time it is regenerated, is right, it means that it is the body he uses most often.

            In this case it is then allowed to think that was also in this form he raised Eva. What is needed is a real flashback on Eva’s childhood. If “the man who raised” has the same features as the original life-maker, then the evidence will be made that the life-maker is a man, effeminate certainly, but a man anyway.

            And honestly? I think that will be the case, if such a flashback occurs I do not see Akamatsu create an unknown character just to make him the host of lifemaker while he has only to simply use his original body. ^^

          • chaosprophet says:

            It does says that the person who cursed Eva was a male. Whether that was LM original body or not is unknown. Both times it’s Eva talking about the person she knew.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      In the body-hopping theory, MotB can be in the body of men or women, depending on whatever mysterious criteria is required.

      • Seimei says:

        True, but if we admit that this androgynous body (and I hold “androgynous” and not “female”) is his real body (in my opinion, he does reincarnated in the body of the other in order to allow time his true body to regenerate, as I have already said) then it is very possible to think that was probably in this appearance that Eva was known him.

        As for the reason for the fact that he possess Zeckt rather than Nagi the first time I have two theories:

        1. He deliberately chooses to own Zeckt, not only because he wanted to use his non-human body (yokai, Mazoku devil?) To strengthen its already enormous power but also to give Nagi time to realize the emptiness of his victory. He not only did not destroy but it only give brief respite in mundus-magicus.

        2. The life-maker needs to fulfill a particular condition to possess a host and he could not do it with Nagi the first time.

        Both theories come to mind but if I had to choose between the two I prefer the first ^^. It corresponds to the cynical and disillusioned side of life-maker, humiliate this “little human hero” to the end! In addition he possessed the body of his master! (and we all remember the cries of desperation has led Nagi after the life-maker has took possession of the body of Zeckt!)

  16. Magine says:

    “A lifemaker appeared
    Fate and Evangeline used escape
    They got away safely”

    X’D

    Ok, now seriously

    I was very suprised to see Lifemaker, namely how often she/he changed of body (It must not matter he/her to be woman or man)

    I wonder if Mana will help to Touta, maybe Mana convinces to Evangeline. (Although Evangeline doesn’t want put him at risk, because he means a lot to her) I think that at the end Evangeline will let to train to Touta, it is because, Mana will train him (although Evangeline told Touta that he goes to the headquarters, by that reason, I think that Mana will talk with her.)

    I never saw Evangeline with that reaction, It surprised to me, when she saw to Negi, It made me felt bad to see her in that way. (Although thinking it well, she has already been through a lot, and she must feel bad, although she doesn’t want show it)

    “I don’t need you Touta” Lol and In that moment, an arrow invisible went through to Touta because his mother told him those words.

    The poor Santa didn’t understand what was happening XD and Karin didn’t feel jealousy with the scene between Negi and Evangeline

    I think that maybe the lifemaker can be defeated, if his soul is destroyed

    PS; At the end, Instead of “Lifemaker” it should be “LifeTake” because she/he takes the lives of the people Lol

    • Seimei says:

      “I think that maybe the lifemaker can be defeated, if his soul is destroyed”

      Yet he must be able to actually destroy a soul and I have some doubts lol.

      It’s true that Quartum about “burning souls” but I’m not sure we can totally destroy a soul. Even destroy the “spiritual body” of a ghost does not annihilated but apparently sent in the after-life.

      I think it is not possible to kill a soul.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      I never saw Evangeline with that reaction, It surprised to me, when she saw to Negi, It made me felt bad to see her in that way. (Although thinking it well, she has already been through a lot, and she must feel bad, although she doesn’t want show it)

      Yeah, it was a poignant moment.

  17. NT says:

    Well, your reasoning for the body hopping sounds good, but then why did the Lifemaker take on Nagi’s appearance? maybe instead of body hopping it’s more like a Possession?

    And about Touta, I honestly think that for once he’s going to figuratively tell Eva to screw off gonna help you anyway and even if they are forbidden to help him and Kirie is forbidden to fund him.

    Mahora Academy can still fund him, And I bet Mana would allow it. Which means if thats possible, then for the tournament Touta will be fighting on Mahora’s Yen, and eventually face Fate and Eva.

    Then this is also a test for Touta. it might not be apparent but i bet Eva knows he’s going to join anyway regardless what she orders him to do. He was never really the type to listen anyway.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Well, your reasoning for the body hopping sounds good, but then why did the Lifemaker take on Nagi’s appearance? maybe instead of body hopping it’s more like a Possession?

      Possession is something I don’t object to, especially in light of this chapter. It seems that this female MotB/LM has possession of Negi and Nagi and could use them to her needs, or rather use their power. After all, the Nagi that appeared before Negi as MotB/LM was dispelled, but held massive power. So the real MotB/LM could simply create an illusion, drawing the power and form of someone under her control, and use it for her purposes.

      And about Touta, I honestly think that for once he’s going to figuratively tell Eva to screw off gonna help you anyway and even if they are forbidden to help him and Kirie is forbidden to fund him.

      Maybe, but I don’t see that happening without UQH helping him and I only see that happening if something bad happens to Eva. I’m just not sure how much of a tournament we are even going to get. I think we’ll have a better idea when the new spoilers/chapter comes out.

      • NT says:

        Who needs UQH when you have a badass Half-demomfolk willing to sponsor you?

        I personally think Mana will sponsor him, no matter what Eva says, and without the aid of UQH.

  18. sagara14 says:

    So..Basically, If negi beat MOB, He will get possessed by his/her power (Current UQ Holder),
    BUT… if he did it with Asuna, he beat MOB for sure (Negima – Parallel Universe).
    Damn… I wonder how UQ Holder and Ala Alba beat this Boss !!!
    Find a new Magic Cancel like Asuna ???

    • Seimei says:

      It is also possible that despite the fact that they released Nagi with the help of Asuna in the epilogue of Negima,, the life-maker has anyway managed to survive and that he will return one day in the “Negima’s epilogue timeline” hehehe, it is said to ANY point in the epilogue that the life-maker was defeated definitively (it is a fanmade addition), only that they have released Nagi.^^

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Find a new Magic Cancel like Asuna ???

      Well, she was pretty much a unique anomaly from the way Negima went. That doesn’t mean Akamatsu-sensei couldn’t create a new one, but it seems unlikely to me.

  19. Jeff says:

    Can i just point out that there is still a member Fate’s old party in Asuna’s “mom” , The gravity blade that touta has the guy did say that it was created by a evil wizard that lived there could this be Alberio Imma “Kfc”since he did live in that place and he was there when negi and nagi both defeated the lifemaker and he can TRansform into negi

    • Dargor says:

      Uh…what? The Gravekeeper shares a lineage with with Negi and Asuna, but she’s probably so far removed from both of their bloodlines (Or even the Lifemakers attempt to replicate Asuna), its a moot point. They have a common decent, but that’s about it.

      Personally, I pegged her as Amertaru, but that’s just me. All we know is that she’s old and supposedly prone to childish fits every now and again.

      • AstroNerdBoy says:

        Personally, I pegged her as Amertaru, but that’s just me. All we know is that she’s old and supposedly prone to childish fits every now and again.

        Amateru might be the Gravekeeper, and that may be whom we see in this chapter, not MotB (though the assumption is this is MotB).

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Can i just point out that there is still a member Fate’s old party in Asuna’s “mom”

      Asuna’s mom?

      The gravity blade that touta has the guy did say that it was created by a evil wizard that lived there could this be Alberio Imma “Kfc”since he did live in that place and he was there when negi and nagi both defeated the lifemaker and he can TRansform into negi

      I believe Al is the one implied to have created the blade. Considering his relationship with Eva, Al may have been portrayed as “evil” by Eva to the members of UQH.

      • Jeff says:

        U remember the “girl ” decided to take a chance on Negi she I suppostely asuna’s mom and like 3000 yr old

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          Oh, the one who might be the Gravekeeper (or Chibi Mage) — basically the unknown girl in the hooded cape with a lot of power.

  20. Lakshmi says:

    After reading your theory, something came to me: what if the master of the gravekeeper’s palace in negima is, indeed, this female MotB? In this chapter it seemed negi and nagi weren’t worried about her, negi even said “its not what you think” (all this assuming they weren’t illusions). In Negima the master of GK’s palace helped negi, so they might work together now for… something? Summing it up: female MotB= good one and male MotB (zecht) = evil one. Of course this doesn’t really explain what negi said when he seemed to know who she was (“you’re… Mother’s… Asuna’s…”).

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      It is possible, though after all these years, we still have next to no information, only lots of questions. ^_^; But yeah, it could be that this female MotB is the Gravekeeper.

      • Seimei says:

        Uh… Except that the Gravekeeper is actually a “chibi-mage”, moreover, the body of life-maker that we saw (and is the same as that has fought Nagi) is a tall person .

        No, I think it was really the same life-maker that in Negima. I still say that the life-maker is a man (and father of Amateru) and the Gravekeeper is a woman. And I even think that the two are married and Amateru parents (or so the Gravekeeper is Amateru herself). To me, they are two different entities.

        I think Negi contradicted Fate not on the identity and potentially evil agenda of life-maker, but the situation in which he (Negi) is currently.

        That said do not get me wrong, now that I know that the presence of life-maker is confirmed and he will surely be much more active than in Negima, or even will most likely be the main antagonnist of the manga UQ Holder, I can say that the Gravekeeper is the next character I want see faster^^.

        I have a feeling she will be on the side of UQ Holder (or neutral), after all she betrayed the life-maker (which I think is his father (or a close ancestor, a much closer generation that Arika or Negi!) or his wife, so I think they have a very strong link) there are 80 years ago…

        I do not see her returned to the side of the life-maker after that and this, even if we accept the theory that the life-maker convinced Nagi and Negi to work for him (which would be interresting but I rather feel that they are his prisoners lol^^).

        • cold_menthol says:

          Magic is involved here, so the Gravekeeper being shown as “chibi-mage” proves nothing. In fact, the Gravekeeper and MOTB have never been shown at the same time. So, MOTB=Gravekeeper? Why not? Seems interesting anyway. And one less character for Akamatsu-sensei to explain. :p

          To you, they are different. To others, it’s not certain that they are different.

          • Seimei says:

            True my friend, but then if Gravekeeper and life-maker are the same entity. explain to me:

            1. Why fate would have needed to release the ” another mage of the beginning” (according to the theory that the Gravekeeper is the real life-maker) sealed under the world-tree to perform the ritual of erasing Mondus-magicus?
            If Gravekeeper was the real life-maker (or so an entity with powers equivalent), she could take charge herself no?

            2. If the Gravekeeper is the true life-maker that would control his alter-ego, explain to me why she would have supported Negi but would have left her “clone” (she should be controlle him, if I understand you well) to attack Negi and continue the ritual? I think it’s absurd.

            These two points are serious detriment of the theory “Gravekeeper = lifemaker” On the contrary, they tend to show that they are two separate beings.

            I think you break the head for nothing, I expect that UQ Holder contains plenty of interesting mysteries like that. I think it is not worth to imagine things like “there are two lifemaker”.

            I’m not saying that you necessarily wrong but I think for now the better now is to look at the facts. And so far there is very little evidence to support the view of “Gravekeeper = lifemaker.” Instead the evidence suggests, for now, they are two separate entitée.

            By cons, the facts shows indeed that it actually has a deep connection there between lifemaker and Gravekeeper, it was undeniable. They are probably of the same family (husband and wife, father and daughter, ancestor and descendant, it is not yet known). And besides, maybe they master both the same form of immortality?

            And for those who are struggling to believe me when I say that I think that despite his effeminate appearance, life-maker is probably (and not CERTAINLY huh ?) a man, I advise them to read “Id, Great fusion Fantasy”!

            Id, the hero is overpowered from the start and has great knowledge (Ok, him, he suffers a heavy training several years before the start of the adventure, but after that you will not see Tota or even Rakan with the same look believe me. Him, he’s REALLY a Gary Sue lool !). More seriously and joking aside, not only that but the real reason I mention it is the appearance of the hero.

            Here Id: http://i.imgur.com/kV5O0.png
                            http://animeshare.su/_pu/94/71907563.jpg

            Well aware that in spite of that appearances … This is a man! He said himself constantly. ^^

            So that, in short, the appearance of the true body of lifemaker in no way demonstrates his gender. ^^

          • cold_menthol says:

            Short possible answers:
            1. Gravekeeper is his/er temporal body, which could mean highly reduced power.

            2.
            a. Basically, CE and Negi want to solve the same problem. Negi’s solution can save more people even though it’s harder. It’s not weird if the Gravekeeper/MOTB want to support Negi instead.
            b. The fact that s/he let the Averruncus attack Negi and continue the ritual is what you’d call Plot Twist. And that’s precisely why it seems interesting to me.

            The only valid evidence to show MOTB =! Gravekeeper is when they’re shown at the same time.

            And please don’t think that I believe that MOTB=Gravekeeper. If anything, I think MOTB, Gravekeeper, and Amateru are all different people. It’s just that I don’t completely reject other possibilities.

        • Lakshmi says:

          IIRC, it was stated by either dynamis or the three pactio-girls that the gravekeeper actually appeared each time under a different form, sometimes as a girl, other times as an older woman… But yours is a neat idea, if you look closely to the yet unrevealed member of UQ holder (the one with short hair), he/she bears as light resemblance to the gravekeeper

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