November 16th, 2014 
AstroNerdBoy Here is a SPOILER rumor for the upcoming UQ Holder chapter 58, courtesy of 2ch. (My review of UQ Holder chapter 58 should come out Wednesday.)
UQ HOLDER CHAPTER 58 SPOILERS
The UQ Holder chapter 58 goodness begins.^_^
As provided by the most excellent ChaosProphet:
小夜子の呪文は三太には通じない、ひるみつつも三太は小夜子を捕まえる
だが、もはや幾重もの悪霊に身をゆだねた小夜子は三太を突き放し襲いかかる
再び小夜子を助けようとする三太を、ゾンビ化した九郎丸が阻むが
三太が滅されそうな寸前、チンピラ学生の箒で飛んできた刀太が割って入る
Sayoko’s spell don’t go through Santa but he takes it and catch Sayoko. But she’s already all taken by the evil spirits, thrust him away and attacks. He tries to help her again but zombie Kuromaru stops him. When it seems like Santa is going to be destroyed Touta comes to help on a broom of one of the thugs (not sure if Touta is riding it or one of the thugs is taking him).
No surprise that Touta gets to play the hero to save Santa. Pretty much by the books, though with Sayoko already apparently submerged with all of the evil spirits, the tragedy of Sayoko being rejected by Santa, thus causing her to fall over the cliff, seems to be out of the picture. I’ve no problem with that, more so if it opens up an avenue for her redemption.
Side note: I’m trying to get caught up on everything now that I’m finally home. We’ll see what kind of reviews I can start busting out. ^_^
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Well he already whipped out magia erebea, maybe next will be Jupiter thunderstorm or negi magic fist techniques
nah he’ll bust out the eternal negi fever technique
*LOL* Even better. ^_^
Seems like a pretty safe bet. 😉
Astro : “No surprise Touta That gets to play the hero to save Santa.”
……. I will not even more respond to these usual complaints about Tota that we offer you. ^^
Just know that on the my French forum some peaple have a different point of view or even opposed to yours. They think instead Tota NOT ENOUGH SHINE for a main character and his group has not been proven. According to them so far, Tota and his gang are always save by Eva at the end of their missions and look incompetent, tota included (Nagumo arc and Fate arc (although in this last case I’m not agreements with them)).
So they just hoped the team of Tota would finally proven and I cited : “beat a onryo, à lawful god on her end (refer to the “time limit” of Sayako) and to succeed once a mission entrusted to him without the help of Eva or another big-boss of UQ holder like Jinbei or Juuzo”
So like what you see, everything is relative. Some peaple have an opposite point of view on Tota. He thinks Tota has not done enough feats to be a main character worthy of the name, instead. They hope that Tota and his gang succeed in their mission themselves. ^^
ps: More from the members of my forum who just read the spoils (it is not “my forum” in fact but It is easier to come write it in your language ^^), Tota could fighting Kuromaru while Santa fighting Sayako . Which balance the forces.
So you see, if the situation confirms Santa could still shining, Tota would be here as a “back-up” ^^.
That, or Touta replaces Santa to beat Sayoko. After all, the spoiler said “When it seems like Santa is going to be destroyed…”
There’s not much to say just from seeing a spoiler. I need to see the actual chapter to comment more.
Uh … it’s not wrong lol. That said though events like this that turn me proper parity. I said that this is not the scenario I want but it does not bother me. Again I see nothing shocking that a main character makes his main character of work. Otherwise is not a main character lol.
But they seem to some people here did not ALWAYS understand this principle. (sigh).
That said “do not sell the skin of the bear before killing him”. Santa may well return to the charge. It is likely that if Santa was nearly destroyed was because of Shinmei-ryu kuromaru. However, if Tota retains kuromaru Santa will be free to act against Sayako. And do not forget that as Sayako, Santa has spiritual regeneration, it can perfectly heal himself after Tota saved him.
Another possibility is that the fight either a 2 vs 1 (Tota & Santa vs Sayako) or 3 vs 1 if Karin arrives. And I want to say that I find it almost preferable.
Because let’s be honest, even before we learn the divine status of Sayako we knew PERFECTLY that Sayako was too strong for him (which by the way after all means nothing because as I said, it is possible being a god without being especially strong (“divine soldiers” of Megalo are lower than Kagetaro … and HE IS NOT A GOD!))). But even disregarding her rang as an entity, she is proven to be a black magician VERY powerful.
In my opinion neither Tota or Santa or karin have the strength to face her separately (as already in group they have made kicks their ass by her!). No. Their only chance came in the tag-battle, but in a more coordinated way than during the round 1 of course.
Anyway, finally, the next moove will depend on the state of Santa at the end of this chapter lol.^^
That’s just a matter of taste. I don’t think that they don’t understand. They’re aware of this principle, but they want to see some more charater development or background story for the supporting characters too, not just Touta Touta and Touta. (I’m exaggerating a bit here :p)
cold menthol : Well we just had a lot of development on Santa here.
And I do not know if there were some attention, but the date of birth of Tota (2082) is also the date kuromaru became immortal, we even learned his leu birth. Is therefore also a post about the past of kuromaru, not just Tota!
Akamatsu gives valuable clues about ALL the characters but the haters only see what he even want. Was sad.
In the previous arc we were introduced kirie and Ikku. You expected what we discover their past now? lol!
So no Tota is NOT “a black hole that sucks all the intrigue around him” (dedication to Dargor and his pseudo-arguments of hater ^^)
As a said;
To be less exaggerating, it’s like this:
1st arc, Touta and character A and B get some spotlight
2nd, Touta + A, B, C
3rd, Touta + B, C, D
4th, Touta + A and D
and so on
(Those are just examples, don’t associate character A B C D with any UQH! character)
And why not? It could prevent many readers from getting bored of Touta. Karin has a lot of fans, it will pleased them to see more of her background.
I can think one or two reasons why Akamatsu-sensei choose to write UQH! this way though.
Except that what you just mentioned (Tota + A, B, C in the spootlight) is not specific to UQ holder.
There is almost NO shonen in which the main character is not the center of attention every arc (accompanied by another character each arc).
I said that he is no Shonen who break this rule (hunter x hunter is one example. Besides Gon finished up being so ignored some momant I lost interest in him… the main character of one of my favorite manga lol! This is the proof that this is not a good idea to ignore for a some time the main character of a story lol).
However we can not repprocher a Nekketsu author to respect this rule.
“And why not? It Could prevent prevention Many readers from getting bored of Touta. Karin: has a lot of fans, It Will em Pleased to see more of her background.”
Uh … Has already. Here again is through hacking Santa. The karin birth date is unknown. I think that is a way for Sensei to imply that she could be much older than 600 years (it was the age Xinkai Chao gave us).
Do not spoil the suspense if we learned all the background of a character into 5 chapters he would lose some of his flavor (well you tell me rightly that in One Piece the past of the main characters is certainly quickly unveiled. But this is an exception ^^ ). And Santa is special because he’s past is directly related to the mission of Tota group for recruite him.
“I can think one or two Reasons Why Akamatsu-sensei choose to write UQH! This way though.”.
Hmm you made me curious ^^. C’mon explain us. ^^
For the first part, I agree that it’s not restricted to UQH!. And that’s why, generally, shounen is not my favorite genre. If not for UQH!’s connection with MSN, I don’t know if I would have started reading UQH!.
I’m glad you mentioned One Piece, because it’s one of my favorite read despite being a shounen story. It’s not without flaws, but this one is indeed an exception.
For me, after Fate, Eva, and Touta, Santa is the only one whose background story satisfy me at this point, thanks to reason you already mentioned (that is, the mission). Kuroumaru has a bit more stories/hints than Karin or Ikku, or even Kirie, but I still want to see some more for them.
Well, we are still in around 50th-60th chapters of UQH! and there are some characters we know exist in the story, but not introduced yet. Maybe Akamatsu-sensei want to introduce all number holders first before giving us more detailed background story of the characters.
While I was writing that comment, the new chapter comes out ^_^
Heh!heh!heh! Always the way of things. 😉
I would have preferred for Santa to be the hero, especially considering his tragic past.
Another topic hijack:
A new chapter of Spotted Flower was released by Maigo, and MS released a new chapter of Fairy Tail Zero. Get them at your leisure.
Ah, sweet. I need to go read. Thanks for the alert. ^_^
Just a heads-up that the 5th chapter of “FT Zero” is out.
Thanks! ^_^
Of course, Touta has to get the spotlight again and save the helpless Santa. No one but Captain Gary Stu can save the day. LOL I wonder what Karin will do this time?
Okay so I RE-POST my comment above:
“Just know that on the my French forum some peaple have a different point of view or even opposed to yours. They think instead Tota NOT ENOUGH SHINE for a main character and his group has not been proven. According to them so far, Tota and his gang are always save by Eva at the end of their missions and look incompetent, tota included (Nagumo arc and Fate arc (although in this last case I’m not agreements with them)).
So they just hoped the team of Tota would finally proven and I cited : “beat a onryo, à lawful god on her end (refer to the “time limit” of Sayako) and to succeed once a mission entrusted to him without the help of Eva or another big-boss of UQ holder like Jinbei or Juuzo”
So like what you see, everything is relative. Some peaple have an opposite point of view on Tota. He thinks Tota has not done enough feats to be a main character worthy of the name, instead. They hope that Tota and his gang succeed in their mission themselves. ^^
More from the members of my forum who just read the spoils (it is not “my forum” in fact but It is easier to come write it in your language ^^), Tota could fighting Kuromaru while Santa fighting Sayako . Which balance the forces.
So you see, if the situation confirms Santa could still shining, Tota would be here as a “back-up” ^^.”
And then you have to stop with “Gary-Sue” or “Mary-sue.” Technically ALL the shonens heroes (includes Negi) could, according to how the analysis being of Gary-Sue. In general, we glue the “Gary Sue” label on a character you do not like or that you hate. Is a TOTALLY apellation subjective and based on spurious criteria.
As I said from the beginning of the “Tota cntroverse” but so far has won NONE Tota (and I said well NONE) serious fight. And when he has Gane was helped by other characters (eg against Nagumo).
So. Not only the name “Gary Sue”, whatever the character is me as dishonest but also even admitting the validity of the principle of “gary sue” TOTA WOULDN’T IS ONE!
ps: Bah or Tota IS the main character and the main character MUST be on the front line, whether you like it or not. If it is NOT a main character lol.
You don’t have the slightest idea of what the term ‘Gary Stu’ or ‘Mary Sue’ means, do you? No, not all Shounen heroes are in that category. Read on it some day, whenever writing long blocks of apologies for your idol Touta leaves you some available time.
Wrong on the contrary, I fully know what a “gary stue” or “mary sue”. If a character is idealized OR unlike a character with too many flaws (anti-sue). Negi eg IS anti-sue to Volume 24 (and is from Volume 24 I liked his character, not before.)
And sorry but YES the notion of Gary sue is SUBJECTIVE and has no basis property sets. Souvant the term “mary sue” is only used by a character haters, whether valid or not. Was thus a concept that has no real value.
“Mary Sue, the male or Gary Stu Marty Sue, is a derogatory term given to a fictional character depicted an idealized manner, without significant fault. This term is usually used in critical fan fiction. It is also found among practitioners speaking role play.
It generally refers to one or more character (s) set (s) by the author of fanfiction, but can also be attributed to one of the characters of the barrel (original work), which is then described an idealized way, whether by the author of a fanfiction or by the author of the barrel.
What distinguishes Mary Sue is the purity of his fantastical character and over-identification of the author with his character. A Mary-sue is always right and is always called a grand destiny ending epic way.
The term Mary Sue is a concept RESOLUTELY SUBJECTIVE aimed mostly to belittle the literary value of the target character. Therefore there is no specific definition of this archetype: the authors who try to follow it to the letter are those who want just the parody or subvert it. Any “test” defining a Mary Sue must be seen in the context of the work in which it appears”
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary-Sue (the article is in French)
Even TV trope says mary-sue the term, anti-sweat, sweat ugly ect means nothing concrete!:
“Mary Sue is a derogatory term primarily used in Fan Fic circles to describe a particular type of character. This much everyone can agree on. What that character type is, exactly, differs wildly from circle to circle, and often from person to person.
TV Tropes doesn’t get to set what the term means; the best we can do is capture the way it is used. Since there’s no consensus on a precise definition, the best way to describe the phenomenon is by example of the kind of character pretty much everyone could agree to be a Mary Sue.”
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue
IHe is you who is not sufficiently informed about the term “mary-sue”. The proof you’re convinced that there is a precise definition. But in reality, it is sufficient that someone does not like a hero or another character so that he or she receives the infamous brand of “mary sue”, “gary sue”, “anti-sue”, “villain sue” ect …
The ONLY indisputable gary sue is Alucard in Hellsing manga.
ps: And for the thousandth time: Tota is NOT my favorite character from UQ Holder! My favorites are Yukihime, Fate and Santa!
For me Tota is precisely too weak and he has performed no feat for the time. It is true that he is also naive. The same naivete irritating than Negi that made me dislike his character until Volume 24. But at least Tota ACTS and not remain seated to ask questions at himself for 3 hours!
So no, it’s not my favorite character but I prefer his debut to those Negi!
Hey that’s what illustrate my point : “anyone can declare a character he does not like is” gary sue “/” mary-sue “.^^
“Obviously Negi Springfield.
A 10 year old genius Who est one of the Strongest characters Who is reliable charm to Any woman Who is reliable to win Almost Every fight who’s only “flaws” only serve to make _him_ better.
No fictional character is more contrived or Is Given So Many talents with no sort of Weakness. ”
subject: “Is there a bigger Mary Sue (Gary Stu?) in existence than Griffth?” (Griffith is a character from the manga Berserk for those who know this manga.)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000121-anime-and-manga-other-titles/66888514?page=3
We are the two agreements on the fact that it is based on very few valid arguments is not it?
Then requests yourself if you currently do not make the same mistake about Tota?
And about the “definition of” gary sue “, always on the same forum:
“From: mizukage2 | # 011
Er, how is the guy Who got tortured Into a cripple Before killing MOST de son and friends Raping someone for a new demon body has’ mary sue? I do not think you know what That Word Actually means clustering.
Has nothing to do with being white was Mary Sue at all. For some reason people-have tried to add a bunch of random stipulations to Mary Sue has over the last Few years That do not-have anything to do with the term. Mary Sue just means clustering They Are a character with no personality cookie cutter Who is good at everything. Mary Sue’s can-have hard times or can-have problems with the dark side And Such, It Does not mean profit They Are not still a very generic Mary Sue. ”
So yes as this speaker (dragon knight (the same who accuses Negi to be a gary sue ^^) that meets “mizukage2” even a character who knows the difficulties and losses (as Negi would be a gary sue.
I’m of course, not on agreements with that … No more than I am about Tota.
Meditate on this over-master. ^^
Ooh. Acid. Luv it.
Ok man, first of all: Ever heard of a nice technique called “Summarize”? While I do enjoy reading, reading an entire page that could quite probably be said in one tenth of the words you used is not the kind of thing I consider a good reading. It gets excruciatingly dull after a while. I’ll try to be as brief as possible: If you think Negi is a Mary Sue, then I have to agree with OverMaster. You didn’t quite grasp what it means to be a Gary Stu/Mary Sue. Wanna compare the two of them a little? Negi needed around 300 chapters to become immortal. Touta got that in the first chapter. Negi trained like hell to control Magia Erebea, and almost died a lot of times, with 536458 side-effects. Touta seems to have mastered it since the beginning with absolutely no training or problem whatsoever just because he’s that awesome. Whenever Negi heard about a new technique, he usually had to train to learn that, Touta just sees or hears it and instantly knows how to use it better than anyone else. Do you remember the guy with the shundo? Yeah. He trained for years to attain that level of skill. Touta learned one thing or two from him casually and surpassed him in the end. Now let’s go back to Negima. Remember Fate’s barriers? That thing that Negi couldn’t even scratch THAT far in the story? Yeah, Touta cut it in half with Albireo’s sword that he got with a lot of… Oh, my mistake, he also got that for free. Remember Fate? That guy who wrecked most characters easily, while he wasn’t even serious, and today is WAY stronger than he used to be? Touta is so awesome that, while the rest of the cast was struggling just to keep themselves in one piece against his lackeys, he managed to keep up with a lot of attacks and even hit him. Really, I could stay here the entire day telling you about all the things that make Touta a Gary Stu, but considering how you’re so persistent on denying this truth, I realize that it would accomplish absolutely nothing.
“If you think Negi is a Mary Sue, then I have to agree with OverMaster. You didn’t quite grasp what it means to be a Gary Stu/Mary Sue.”
Uh lol not the contrary, I said I was not NOT agreements with it. I only gave the point of view of many people including people who considéèrent Negi as a “mary-sue” and I wanted to criticize it through the same validitée the concept of “mary-sue” that ultimately serves often to denigrate a character that no one likes but it has no factual basis.
In passing the links I left are not there for nothing. ^^
“Negi needed around 300 chapters to become immortal. Touta got that in the first chapter.”
Hello friend ! UQ holder is centered immortality manga. Did you expect that the main character becomes immortal only to end in a manga that addresses this theme?
“Negi trained like hell to control Magia Erebea, and almost died a lot of times, with 536458 side-effects. Touta seems to have mastered it since the beginning with absolutely no training or problem whatsoever just because he’s that awesome. ”
Negi was an human, Tota is a vampire and I will let Eva explain for me : http://mangafox.me/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v31/c285/7.html
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And you wanted to be EXACTLY the same training and the same event as Negi? Let’s be serious pity. ^^
And you have said yourself that word: “Tota SEEMS to have control.” We do not know anything.
Euh how long Negi lern shunpo? 10 days? 1 month? Is true that here too it is NOT AT ALL to Takamichi unfair that he also probably take years to learn as kaito.
Yes Tota has learned faster. But for me one day (tota) and 10 day (it’s still negià abused for “normal people (kaito, Takamichi)
Remember Fate’s barriers? That thing that Negi couldn’t even scratch THAT far in the story? Yeah, Touta cut it in half with Albireo’s sword that he got with a lot of… Oh, my mistake, he also got that for free.”
Uh yeah but he spent two months in a cave filled with monsters to learn how to check the sword eh? And you have said, it broke the barrier WITH sword. If anything it has anti-barrier abilities! Was the sword that made the feat, not Tota. ^^
“Remember Fate? That guy who wrecked most characters easily, while he wasn’t even serious, and today is WAY stronger than he used to be? Touta is so awesome that, while the rest of the cast was struggling just to keep themselves in one piece against his lackeys, he managed to keep up with a lot of attacks and even hit him.
1. Negi also managed to hit him in the face TWICE at the time (while Fate still had its barrier!), Fate says himself in Negima!
When the fact that Tota resist him, was because Fate “played” with him. Once he becomes serious (after invoking the magic circle of life-maker) Tota not able to resist MORE AT ALL! Was only through the power of kirie that came out of that VERY bad situation. He has asked to train after that PRECISELY because he was not strong enough to beat Fate. ^^
So no, your arguments are based on a simplistic view of the character and his parcour. I easily dismantled most of your arguments and those I have not properly dismantled (the case of shunpo) are explained by the will of the author not wanting to burden the scenario with explanations and trainings already carried out in Negima ^^. I understand (and even approve that in some way^^)
Sure, man, if that will help you sleep at night, feel free to keep thinking like that. Honestly, I have better ways to waste my time than writting a book to answer you. I salute your extensive knowledge and all-encompassing love for Touta.
But lool ! For the last time : Tota IS NOT my favorite character! !!!^^
I just think some here (and you’re part Ragna ^^) engaged in an unjustified bashing on this character. ^^
But I do agree on your point that if (and only if) Touta gets to fight Kuroumaru while Santa settles things with Sayoko, then it’s good. Touta vs Kuroumaru, Santa vs Karin till the end, and… I still wonder what the hell is Karin going to do. LOL
*Santa vs Sayoko, damn typo. xD
Get hot and bothered by Touta’s awesomeness. 😉
LOL Even if that’s the case, I’m already impressed with her. If I was in her place, I wouldn’t be in the best mood to fight after escaping from a 1000m deep grave! xD Though I wouldn’t miss the chance to say “Will have to dig deeper than that if you wanna get rid of me, casper!” LOL