UQ Holder Chapter 23 SPOILER Images

Here is the first SPOILER image from the upcoming UQ Holder chapter 23, courtesy of the VERY gracious Southrop. (My review of chapter 23 should come out Wednesday.)

UQ HOLDER CHAPTER 23 SPOILERS

The UQ Holder chapter 23 goodness begins.^_^

UQ Holder Chapter 23 SPOILER

Oh? What is this? Is the arrogant, smeg for brains, “I’m the main character, dagnabit!” Touta-chan taking that beating he so richly deserves?

Why yes, it does appear so.

UQ Holder Chapter 23 SPOILER

So what the smeg is Kuroumaru doing? I presume the fireworks are a warning sign or something.

Also, since Touta doesn’t have a hole in his chest, I’m guessing this came before Kaito nails him good.

Where is Karin in all this? What do you want to bet that Chao is back to get jiggy with her. *_*

UQ Holder Chapter 23 SPOILERI believe this is Kuroumaru using the firework technique.

It Touta takes the beating, Karin is removed from the scene, and Kuroumaru is sending up fireworks, could we see the arrival of other UQ Holder members?  Frankly, even though it would be a dues ex machina moment, I’d love to see Eva, aka: Yukihime, show up and lay the smack down, just because we haven’t seen her in a while.

Well, naught to do but wait for the chapter to come out. In the meantime, I’d like to express my continued thanks to Southrop for sharing these images. As usual, he has some notes for those interested. ^_^

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70 Responses to “UQ Holder Chapter 23 SPOILER Images”

  1. Arlia says:

    Well, I kinda want to know why you have so much hate for the main character. I followed your blog before with Negima, but now it’s getting difficult to read.
    What’s the problem with Touta ? He’s carefree ? And ? That’s all it takes for you to hate him ?
    We don’t know anything about him yet. His genealogy makes him a descendant of the Konoe Clan, and now he has the Magia Erebea. But still, it’s the minimum. This manga isn’t Negima. We’re not going to wait 20 volumes to understand that the main character is still weaker than a mob.

    We’re talking about immortal here. Since the first chapter we’re dealing with a league on par with the Mundus Magicus arc of Negima. Touta needs to evolve at an astonishing speed.

    • Anonymous says:

      Honestly this whole grudge ANB has against Touta seems to stem from the fact that he’s not Negi. Repressed anger for the ending of Negima!, perhaps?

      • AstroNerdBoy says:

        *lol* Not quite. It is true that I was not happy with the way Negima! ended, but I had no problem starting UQ Holder. Indeed, that first chapter was very interesting, and I didn’t even have a problem with Yukihime and Touta’s trip, whereupon they picked up Kuroumaru. I was looking forward to seeing Touta grow as a character, not be given god-mode abilities just because he’s the main character. I think Akamatsu-sensei wanted to explore immortality, but decided he couldn’t do it with Negi, so he created a Negi-Kotaro clone with almost no foundation. As such, I cannot form a connection to Touta the way I have with Kuroumaru or Karin.

        As I said earlier, it may be that Akamatsu-sensei pulls this one out and I grow to like Touta. That’s why I’m hoping he’ll take a beating, realize that leaping before he looks can cause a ton of problems, and become a better character as a result.

        But that’s just me. ^_^;

        • Aki says:

          I agree with astro, having studied course like games design and film and tv… Character development is important and should be vital.

          Not saying u can’t have a godlike character, there are stories where it works. Touta as a newborn immortal shouldn’t be the rakan glitch character that he currently displaying.

          We love negi cause we saw him grew up as an unconfident, insecure, shy and naive child to a strong, dependable, self sacrificing hero who believe in himself and bares the weight of the world.

          Touta had a goal with yukihime… That was to travel to the to of the tower…. The whole set up was for adventure and suddenly we get thrown into full on battle situations at Mundas magica level… This feel like a time skip continuation of negima rather than a new manga

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            This feel like a time skip continuation of negima rather than a new manga

            I don’t even mind that element of it because I’d like to see what happened after Ala Alba left the stage. But you’ve hit it when you say, “The whole set up was for adventure and suddenly we get thrown into full on battle situations at Mundas magica level…” I had hoped that before they met other immortals, that the road trip that Eva, Touta, and Kuroumaru would have been such that we’d learn more about the characters. As I saw it, it was a way for Touta to learn about being immortal and for Eva to speak some of her backstory to help him learn. I think had this been done, we’d be OK. However, I get the sense that this “MUST HAVE MASSIVE SHOUNEN ACTION” element took over and this is what we get as a result. 🙁

        • DemonMode says:

          Dont make accusations before you read it dude in all types of manga like this there is no fking god-mod hell in reality every manga is god-mod negami they never die if you want a manga with main characters dieing then read AKAME GA KIRU! okay so wait and see before you judge

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Hate is too strong of a word. Strongly dislike, sure.

      The thing with me is that Touta is way too cocky, which is annoying. Add to that the fact that in chapter one, Touta was nothing, but by chapter 22, he’s Magia Erebea. However, without anything more than his family being killed, his having the Konoe family name, and his referring to Negi as “Jiichan”, what basis does Touta have for becoming a wannabe clone of Negi?

      Unfortunately, as I see it, Touta is nothing more than a Gary Stu (male version of Mary Sue) character. Initially, Touta starts with nothing more than some basic sword skills, then becomes a vampire. Fine. Face a youkai/immortal hunter? Pound that sucker into the ground so hard, there’s an impact crater. Face the most feared shinso vampire who unleashes an ancient, ice magic spell? Snag her towel with no problem. Get tossed into an underground cavern with an eight year time limit to get out? Get out in one month, AND be so strong, you can lift tons. Get sealed by an anti-vampire technique? No problem, you now have Magia Erebea! WOO!HOO!

      As I see it, Touta is a copy-Sue amalgam of Negi and Kotaro, plus Asuna’s memory wipe, with a devil may care attitude. I wouldn’t even care about this, but unfortunately, other than the Konoe name (which means nothing since he could be adopted) and him calling Negi “Jiichan” (again, meaning nothing since that could mean grandfather or a person old enough to be one’s grandfather), there’s no foundation. Had we been given a more concrete foundation to establish Touta’s character, his rapid rise in power would not be so troublesome. As it is, Touta is a poorly designed character.

      It may be that Akamatsu-sensei pulls it out so that I like Touta a lot by the end. At the moment, he’s just not an interesting character to me.

      Does that make sense? (Never sure if I say things right or not. ^_^;)

      I take it that you like Touta. So, I wouldn’t mind hearing your reasons that you do like him. You may give me something to consider that I haven’t considered before. ^_^

  2. Oh nice , Here i thought that Akamatsu-sensei would pull one of those typical shounen-move , But , Still good to see touta getting smacked around.

  3. Excuse me, but what do you have against Tota ?

    I liked its power-up to magia erebea why you growled above ? I prefer that rather than restarting zeros , UQ -Holder is the result of Negima is logical and normal that the perpetrator should not start his heroes at the bottom of the scale of power! I am convinced that he will even agrendir this scale and Tota will soon be faced with enemies passing the averruncus even vpore the life -maker for femelettes .

    Certainly he did not play badly at first but the fool :
    1) you like it or not , yes it IS indeed the main character.
    2) are the first 20 chapters you’re tough! You want to inflict a defeat mega worthy of a barrier ” mid- parcour ” at the beginning of the adventure ! lol

    Honestly what you wanted ? He is depressed and he still doubt him and said ” I messed up ” every 4 hours, as Negi ? Sorry but I find it more well- agaceant the attitude “happy go lucky ” Tota ! You had unpleasant cexperiences with this kind of person in real life ?

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Excuse me, but what do you have against Tota ?

      Since I hopefully spelled that out in my earlier reply to Arlia, I won’t bore you with a repeat. ^_^;

  4. (continued)

    And then shit! Lets grandire of around! Oour yet is just a chick who learns to fly, it has only just entering the world of the supernatural, lets marvel a bit, thanks!

    Incidentally Tota ressamble much Nagi in his Personalities. I think it’s logical they are related after all. ^ ^

    ps: sorry if my english just seem bad but I’m french and I use google trad to write this review.

    Sorry for the double post I had a misspelling. You can deleted the older version of the dual comment. ^ ^

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      I guess some French folks like Touta. ^_^

      No problem on the English or double post. Thanks for writing. ^_^

      I understand your point about Touta being new to the world of immortals and such. However, to follow that chick analogy out further, Touta may be a chick, but one that can defeat adult birds of prey, snakes, felines, and other predators without much problem at all. Even in a world of fantasy, that starts stretching things too much for me. As I said earlier, if Touta had a more concrete foundation as a character, then it wouldn’t bother me.

      • Abe no seimei says:

        yet I think I have explained that to me, Akamatsu just off again from where he had stopped on his power scale in Negima.

        UQ-Holder shall be a result of Negima, the author will not piss off his fans by starting again from zero! (me personally it would piss me off.)

        THEREFORE NECESSARILY Tota must be strong from the start in order to then introduce much stronger than averruncus or lifemaker enemies!

        You’re upset because you read negima. But qu’elqu’un that begins in the universe with akamatsu-uq-holder, it is easy to understand that these enemies are sub-shits…

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          THEREFORE NECESSARILY Tota must be strong from the start in order to then introduce much stronger than averruncus or lifemaker enemies!

          If Touta had been introduced as this powerful character from the start (sorta like Natsu or Erza in Fairy Tail), then I wouldn’t have this problem. However, Akamatsu-sensei is trying to create an air of mystery around Touta, but for me, it isn’t working because there’s not enough foundation for Touta to stand on. As such, Touta just comes off as a Mary Sue who can do anything ’cause he’s the main character. ^_~

        • Aki says:

          Your failing to see how touta started at 0 and with no formal training is at god level that about to reach rakan/negi/fate/Eva/nagi/vrsko level…

          Akatmatsu hasn’t forgot power level he just ignoring it and jumping the gun… Touta a regular human who in about 5 chapters discovers he can do super saiyan 4…

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            Akatmatsu hasn’t forgot power level he just ignoring it and jumping the gun… Touta a regular human who in about 5 chapters discovers he can do super saiyan 4…

            *lol* I’ve never watched nor read Dragonball Z, but I still find the reference funny. ^_^

      • Abe no seimei says:

        (continued)

        Nobody offusquerai of ichig even beat a crappy hollow . There is the same.

        Who called you since it is a question of going into space, we do not meet with super- strong aliens capable of disintegrating the stars of the small finger ? At that time the arrogant victories of Tota during TWENTY FIRST CHAPTERS (this is the beginning , you have forgotten ?) Will appear real far!

        By cons, if as and when the stronger enemies arrive, Tota always dégome any way Natsu Fairy – tail , THIS INSTANT you can growl. ^ ^

        But seen as akamatsu looks to equip the trainings ( contrirement to Mashima lol) as seen in Negima , I do not think we will have a fairy- tail bis ( the dark side of the age – UQ Holder does not it also lends more reason to think that will not imitate akamatsu Mashima ^ ^)

        To become a vampire who Tota from the first chapter : uh , hello … is a manga about immortal lol ! I just think it is original to have an immortal hero from the start.

        Tota for raising tons:
        1) is a vampire
        2) he has had several me to lift the sword up to 10 000 tonnes ( months were ellipses louise ) and saw the potential of the sword, it can not even operate the tenth !

        Personally I was karin that upsets me!

        Miss was probably a lesbian fantasm (or HUGE sister-complex on Eva) she farted a hose just because Tota spent two years with Eva, oh my god how despicable crime! Is true eva is propriétée karin has even scored on his skin with a hot iron!

        While eva was a captive mahora madmoiselle was where? Huh? Then she shut her mouth! I find it even more arrogant than Tota me! ^ ^

        And Eva, who easily loses its seviette me that not shock me, it was a game, it would not batre to do as against mortal enemies do not you think?

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          By cons, if as and when the stronger enemies arrive, Tota always dégome any way Natsu Fairy – tail , THIS INSTANT you can growl. ^ ^

          If I’ve understood you, with Natsu and indeed the Fairy Tail manga, I don’t take that too seriously in terms of story. Mashima-sensei will retcon or do whatever he feels like if that’s how he wants the story to go. As such, I give Fairy Tail a much wider birth.

          Based on Akamatsu-sensei’s manga to date (A.I. Love You, Love Hina, and Negima!), he wants to tell proper stories with decently thought out plots (even if there are some problems with the plots at times). As such, Touta is supposed to be taken seriously by me as a reader, but I can’t do it. I cannot form a connection with him. His personality type annoys me, and he gains powers on a whim, depending on the situation.

          When this manga began, I really hoped that Touta would be on a journey of exploration on being immortal because that would have been interesting. Sadly, that path seems to have been abandoned quickly. 🙁

          Through 22 chapters, what has Touta learned about his new life? Everything just comes easily to him with little effort. Despite it all, he still blindly charges into everything and to hell with the consequences; those are for losers. In Touta’s mind, he’s an awesome winner and everyone should be his friend because he’s so awesome, you need to wear shades around him. ^_~ For me, that’s boring and annoying, but that’s just me.

        • Aki says:

          Bleach has a logical and steady power up and ever since chapter 1 we know ichigo had a strong spiritual energy, as the story progress we know ichigo has never reached his true peak or maximum output since he cannot control his powers well.

          Fairy tail pretty much runs on willpower and the concept that friendship will help them prevail. In turns of power up fairy tail doesn’t have that mass spike in power.

          Touta was a normal human who would do normal fist fights then suddenly does super sonic impacts to vaporising punches… The power up is happen to fast, it means uq may not be long runner… I mean if it some super intense training in accelerated time then yes but at normal pace he went from negi chap 1 level to negi power level in volume 22 makes sense?

      • Abe no seimei says:

        yet I think I have explained that to me, Akamatsu just off again from where he had stopped on his power scale in Negima.

        UQ-Holder shall be a result of Negima, the author will not piss off his fans by starting again from zero! (me personally it would piss me off.)

        THEREFORE NECESSARILY Tota must be strong from the start in order to then introduce much stronger than averruncus or lifemaker enemies!

        You’re upset because you read negima. But a person that begins in the akamatsu-universe with uq-holder, it is easy to understand that these enemies are sub-shits…

        Nobody is pissed of for see ichigo even beat a crappy hollow . There is the same.

        Who called you since it is a question of going into space, we do not meet with super- strong aliens capable of disintegrating the stars with the little finger ? At that time the arrogant victories of Tota during TWENTY FIRST CHAPTERS (this is the beginning , you have forgotten ?) Will appear real far!

        By cons, if as and when the stronger enemies arrive, Tota always dégome any way Natsu Fairy – tail , THIS INSTANT you can growl. ^ ^

        But seen as akamatsu looks to equip the trainings ( contrirement to Mashima lol) as seen in Negima , I do not think we will have a fairy- tail bis ( the dark side of the age – UQ Holder does not it also lends more reason to think that will not imitate akamatsu Mashima ^ ^)

        About Tota who become a vampire from the first chapter : uh , hello … is a manga about immortal lol ! I just think it is original to have an immortal hero from the start.

        Tota for raising tons:
        1) is a vampire
        2) he has had several me to lift the sword up to 10 000 tonnes ( months were ellipses louise ) and saw the potential of the sword, it can not even operate the tenth !

        Personally I was karin that upsets me!

        Miss was probably a lesbian fantasm (or HUGE sister-complex on Eva) she farted a hose just because Tota spent two years with Eva, oh my god how despicable crime ! Is true eva is th property of karin has even scored on his skin with a hot iron!

        While eva was a captive mahora madmoiselle was where? Huh? Then she shut her mouth! I find it even more arrogant than Tota for me! ^ ^

        And Eva, who easily loses its seviette me that not shock me, it was a game, it would not batre to do as against mortal enemies do not you think?

        ps : betterand unified version of my commentary lol^^

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          Ah. Well at this point, since one of the guys put them all through, I’ll just let this one go through as well. ^_^

          Personally I was karin that upsets me!

          That hasn’t upset me because it hasn’t been harped on. It was used as the basis for a gag joke, but otherwise it hasn’t been used that much.

          Karin fascinates me because of her type of immortality. I want to know more about her history with Eva, and subsequently, more of Eva’s past as well. She wears the Mahora uniform and I’d like to know why. She appears to have known Misora, so I’d like to look at that. Plus, she’s a wicked fighter who’s gained serious skills due to hundreds of years of immortality. That’s why I like her.

          All my issues with Touta aside, you notice that I haven’t given up on the manga. There are many old Negima! fans who’ve moved on because they don’t like what they are reading. I may not like Touta, but I’m giving Akamatsu-sensei plenty of time to see where he takes thins. ^_^

          • Seimei says:

            Astro :

            I repeat what I said :

            The rapid increase in power Tota serves to justify the appearance next overpowering enemies in the past for large averrucus newbies ! You bed with luggage behind Negima but again if later he confronts the aliens who will destroy anything that stars sneezing or a type that can destroy a mountain with just a sword ( the Sephiroth style) magia erebea will effect a water pistol against a tank! And at that time it will take a beating but there was too early ! for me it must first Tota shines !

            You say , ” is a chick who can beat snakes and vultures .” No agreements, the elders of the akamatsu -world , Kaito and Nagumo clearly have a ” mundus – magicus ” level therefore are indeed predators. But the history of UQ -Holder are ALSO CHICKS ! Is that you do not understand it seems. They are enemies of bases almost rendom Patur to throw hand -character for the test ! As early bleach hollows or even Gran Fisher that ichigo has battut although he struggled , kaito IS gran fisher – Tota , by cons when ” byakuya ” or worse ” Kaizen ” will déarqués it will not be such ) .

            Tota learns quickly and bottom of the experts? Nagi did the same time ala-rubra and to continue with the comparison of bleach, look hitsugaya captain to 10 years (equivalent to well-shinigami)

            Personal I would lose face that Tota kaito who dérengerais me. If has to be like Naruto (a main characters leaving secondary personnagess (kakashi, sarutobi) the technique are to beat the boss and is invisible during the first twenty-seven volumes not thank you!

            And sorry but the fact that the main character-bat boss and Supporting the mini-boss character is the basis of shonen! Of bleach to one-piece for through fairy-tail!

            Is is against all your honor to continue Holder despite your aversion Tota. Many peaple do not understand (unlike you and me lol ^ ^) that the univers and their heroes are two different things and have already stopped their readings (in the United States and even Japan!) as you noted.

            ThIs is so sad… Because for me akamatsu-world is a better fictional univers, affecting all kinds, with a Timeline potentially infinite in the past and in the future and introducing elements of heroic-fantaisy (the dungeon & dragon) and worthy of fighting Dragon balla-Z in a world very similar to ours (with Réfferences to real legends and folklores true mystical traditions. (as onmyoudo or hermetic). exploring different types of immortalitée reinforces this characteristical And do not even talk about cyber-punk side to the blade runner ^ ^. A univers can be great and have hand-characters disgusting.

            Having said that I was just like you at first, Tota spurted from my eyes I found moron. This is ONLY when he won the magia-erebea I started to appreciate precisely (and this stroke of genius to have seen through kaito, jec myself “ah cool it has a brain actually “lol) like to Arlia and much of the frencophone sphere” akamatsu club. “Thou hast the type of the head against the wall I think lol.

            Again that Tota dévelloppe fast power-up ultimate Negima means enemies that could burst fate sneezing and that will move the magia-Erbea for a water pistol for the future according to me…

            And I rejoin Arlia, Tota has been trained several months in the cave with kuromaru and jinbei ^ ^

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            Well, like I’ve said, I’m going to be fair and give Akamatsu-sensei plenty of time to shake things out. ^_^ We’ll see where he goes with Touta and the rest of the UQH folks.

            And I rejoin Arlia, Tota has been trained several months in the cave with kuromaru and jinbei ^ ^

            I think Touta was only down there a month. He wasn’t training with Jinbee at all, but was training with Kuroumaru. He took the Gravity Blade, then mastered it in a month, then escaped. He learned nothing from having lost his arm in the fight, which bothers me. That alone should have taught him something, but it appears to have had no effect on how Touta does things. :-/

          • arimareiji says:

            (My apologies if this is a double-post, my browser hung and apparently never completed the post when I tried earlier.

            All my issues with Touta aside, you notice that I haven’t given up on the manga. There are many old Negima! fans who’ve moved on because they don’t like what they are reading. I may not like Touta, but I’m giving Akamatsu-sensei plenty of time to see where he takes thins. ^_^

            Indeed. The opposite of love isn’t dislike or hate – it’s not caring.

            Serious kudos to you for caring about the series enough to keep with it despite some serious flaws, for putting out thoughtful commentary that those of us who have almost given up on it can read (in the hope that things will get better), and for putting up with getting yelled at for it.

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            (My apologies if this is a double-post, my browser hung and apparently never completed the post when I tried earlier.

            This was the only post that we saw from ya. ^_^

            Serious kudos to you for caring about the series enough to keep with it despite some serious flaws, for putting out thoughtful commentary that those of us who have almost given up on it can read (in the hope that things will get better), and for putting up with getting yelled at for it.

            Thanks. ^_^ I try to be as fair as I can to anime or manga titles. I remember when I first started plowing through the massive Urusei Yatsura anime series. I didn’t really care for it at first, but it had its moments. Then there were times where it was just awful for me to watch, but some fans assured me that things would get better and they did. By the time I’d finished everything, I found that despite all the bad episodes and certain flaws, I had a fondness for the series and the characters within. Indeed, as I’ve been slowly fixing images (and other problems) in old posts on the blog, every time I encounter a post from UY, I kinda smile, more so if I remember it being a good episode. ^_^

            My problems with Touta haven’t made me start thinking, “I can’t read this any more.” There are other elements of UQ Holder that I find interesting, so Touta is counterbalanced.

  5. Arlia says:

    Yay, French we are.

    I understand your point, about Touta becoming some kind of god character with all the abilities falling on him like candies during Halloween, but i’m not going to agree with it.

    – Firstly. For me, Touta never was someone with nothing. Since the chapter one. He’s Touta Konoe. Calling Negi his grandfather ( Literally or not but know it seems like he really is his grandchild ), and became a freakin’ vampire. At this moment. It was for me obvious that he was going to be hella strong quickly.

    – Secondly, It’s not like he became strong in a instant. He already has several months of training, together with Kuroumaru. He fought for his life against monster for a long time, kinda equivalent of the training of Negi with Eva at the beginning of Negima. And since Touta isn’t even human, it’s logic for him to have developed such sharp instinct.

    – And lastly, about the Magia Erebea. I don’t know for you, but for me it was an hypothesis I had since the first chapter. Touta was totally unable to use magic spell. That was strange for me. He’s a Konoe after all, probably a descendant of Konoka. But what if his body wasn’t able to use magic properly to begin with because of a special condition ? Something like a Magia Ereaba that needed to be sealed or disturbed him ?
    It’s not like we never saw it before. Chao Lingshen was unable to use magic before until she released her seal. Seems like Kaito made a mistake here. It’s not like Akamatsu pulled this kind of power up for Touta out of nowhere.

    And it’s not like Touta is overpowered either. Seems like with the spoil he’s getting screwed pretty hard, and he’s still damn weak compared to the others characters.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      …and became a freakin’ vampire. At this moment. It was for me obvious that he was going to be hella strong quickly.

      From what little we know about Eva’s background, she did not become strong quickly. Based on her sheer power, it would appear that Eva was born with massive magical potential, but lived the life of a normal girl until she was turned into a (shinso) vampire. Back then, Eva admits that she had all of the normal vampire weaknesses. She went out and learned all kinds of martial arts skills. She went out and learned magic. Somehow, she obtained the doll master skill. She appears to have ensouled a doll and as an immortal, she formed a pactio with said doll to help protect her. Even that was not enough, so Eva developed Magia Erebea to get her to a level where she stopped being in fights for her “life”, and instead was the one with the power that others would foolishly attempt to challenge.

      As to the other points, I’m hoping that we get more answers about it all in the forthcoming chapters. ^_^

      And it’s not like Touta is overpowered either. Seems like with the spoil he’s getting screwed pretty hard, and he’s still damn weak compared to the others characters.

      Well, this is where I’m hoping Touta turns into a character for the better, where he starts to understand that he can’t just leap into things, nor can he underestimate the strength of foes. For me, this would be a step in the right direction. ^_^

  6. Random_Passerby says:

    I am not fond of Touta myself, and I understand why he annoys so many people, you included. But I’m going to play the devil’s advocate anyway…

    What do we know of Touta’s past? Of whom he had been before being turned by Eva, and what abilities he might have had developed? At the age of 12, Negi was counted among the most powerful beings in the magic world, was a celebrated hero, and was theorizing terraforming projects.

    Touta doesn’t remember anything from before his brush with death, and his growth rate reminds me more of someone remembering things rather than learning them anew. I may be wrong, of course, but until Akamatsu-sensei reveals everything, I’d rather not discard possibilities.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      What do we know of Touta’s past? Of whom he had been before being turned by Eva, and what abilities he might have had developed?

      Touta doesn’t remember anything from before his brush with death, and his growth rate reminds me more of someone remembering things rather than learning them anew. I may be wrong, of course, but until Akamatsu-sensei reveals everything, I’d rather not discard possibilities.

      I agree totally here. The thing is that instead of jumping right into the UQH element, had Akamatsu-sensei spent just a little more time with Kuroumaru, Touta, and Eva traveling, whereby he could have given us a bit more foundation for Touta’s character, I wouldn’t be bothered by Touta’s deal. The failure, as I see it, is that Akamatsu-sensei is trying to have this mysterious past for Touta, and his skills are probably because of what he was before his memory wipe.

      I think back to Asuna. In that case, she had the natural magic nullification ability from the start (Negi’s memory spell backfiring; his broom failing when she got on; Asuna breaking Eva’s protective barrier; etc.). However, there was a slow progression there, accompanied by teasing memory flashbacks to show that she had a mysterious past. So she was interesting.

      Touta could have been more interesting if properly set up. I think that while trying to create a clone of Negi and Kotaro with Asuna’s memory wipe on the side, Akamatsu-sensei wanted to do something different with the memory loss. Further, because he didn’t want to take the time to develop Touta’s character, this is what we are left with.

      I’m more than willing to give Akamatsu-sensei a lot of time to see what he does with all this.

  7. David_pt says:

    Personally i don´t have anything agaisnt Touta, we all know that Akamatsu will explore more of his background in the following arcs.
    On an unrelated note i just wish to see the other members from UQ Holder specially the lolicon cyborg and the save point girl.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      On an unrelated note i just wish to see the other members from UQ Holder specially the lolicon cyborg and the save point girl.

      When Akamatsu-sensei decided to abandon the road trip arc and just get the characters to UQH, I thought we’d see them all. Unfortunately, Karin’s the only one we know much of anything about (discounting Eva, who’s back story is still to be explored in greater detail). But, maybe we will start seeing the other characters.

      • David_pt says:

        I agree with you and i think the reason Akamatsu in using these arcs to explore some characters backgroung and powers Without any rush and other arcs will explore other members of uq holder . Another reason while Akamaktu is using this technique is because its so difficult to write a full cast and we all know how that worked with negima.

  8. Windrasengan says:

    Let’s wait and see why Touta is so powerful. To dislike a character Where we have no information about his past.

    I am very intrigued by the fact that touta is powerful, why his memories seemed to be warped and if this was done on purpose.

    Everything must stem from the incident with his parents and his time before then.

    There is more to it than just random power ups. It’s all good from my perspective as this way of story telling gives the writer freedom to develop a good background story and provides the reader with waves of theories and suspense.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      There is more to it than just random power ups. It’s all good from my perspective as this way of story telling gives the writer freedom to develop a good background story and provides the reader with waves of theories and suspense.

      Except in this case, everyone pretty much accepts your premise that Touta’s abilities stem from his life pre-memory wipe. So most folks aren’t speculating with theories, and the only suspense tends to be, “what new god-mode power with Touta use to get out of the next problem?” Rumor is, that’s exactly what will happen in this chapter. Think Touta’s really hurt? Nope, he just cranks the level-up meter to a point to where he can get out of his current jam. ^_~

      Still, I’ve been saying that Touta is Negi’s replacement in this story, so Akamatsu-sensei is just having him get there as fast as possible with no character development, after which Akamatsu-sensei can explore Negi’s kind of immortality via Touta without the continuity baggage that comes with Negi. But I could be wrong there. Sensei may be going for mindless shounen pap. We’ll have to wait and see. ^_^

  9. ETX says:

    The raw version of Chapter 23 is up!

    It’s only 13 pages, but holy hell what an awesome chapter it was!

      • AstroNerdBoy says:

        Actually, that’s the Chinese scanlation. ^_^ Nevertheless, thanks for the heads up. I must take a look-see. ^_^

      • AstroNerdBoy says:

        There’s at least one page missing in the Chinese version. The spoiler images show Touta on the ground and Kuroumaru sending up fireworks. I counted 15 pages (two pages for each 2-page spread, and one for page 0), which means there’s a missing page and likely a splash page.

      • quigonkenny says:

        Easy way to tell if a scan is a raw or a Chinese scanlation is to look for kana, the simpler, specifically Japanese characters. In a shounen manga like this there should be a fair percentage of them (usually about half, for a Ken Akamatsu work). They look more like this (さすがの) while the Chinese characters look more like this (俺流瞬動). A Japanese raw should have both types, while a Chinese scanlation will have almost exclusively the latter. If there are any characters that look like this (위키백과), it’s Korean.

  10. quigonkenny says:

    A quick and dirty translation of the spoiler pics (critique welcome):

    (1st)
    Kaito: “Original (lit. “me style”) shundou mystery art ‘Sensakudan’ (Flash Drill Finisher). / It’s my trump card. / Even you won’t be able to react if you don’t see it.”

    (2nd — name of the firework)
    Kuroumaru: “Rising Silver Dragon 1000 Chysanthemum Revealing Light!!”

    (3rd — appears to be the start of the invocation of the firework)
    Kuroumaru: “Shinmeiryuu Party Skill!!”

    I think by the name of the firework (specifically the “revealing” part), it is in fact meant as a distress call. Also looks like the Shinmeiryuu have been branching out in their responsibilities over the years. I’m waiting for a scene shift to the Shinmeiryuu higher ups that screwed over Kuroumaru, and rather than sealing demons or plotting Kuroumaru’s demise, they’re busy planning entertainment for the big tournament…

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      I think by the name of the firework (specifically the “revealing” part), it is in fact meant as a distress call.

      Yeah, that’s what I figured.

      I’m waiting for a scene shift to the Shinmeiryuu higher ups that screwed over Kuroumaru, and rather than sealing demons or plotting Kuroumaru’s demise, they’re busy planning entertainment for the big tournament…

      *lol* I don’t know why, but that makes me laugh. ^_^

      Thanks for the translations. ^_^

  11. OverMaster says:

    To all those arguing about Touta’s reasons to be overpowered: You’re looking at it from the wrong way.

    It doesn’t really matter if Touta has plot reasons to be overpowered. If I wrote a story where God Himself comes down to Earth and starts beating bad guys up without finding any actual opposition or danger, I’m justified plot-wise on making God omniscient and omnipotent, because, come on, it’s God. It wouldn’t make the story any better. It’d still be a boring mess where you can’t keep any tension because the protagonist can’t be harmed for good. Physically or emotionally.

    And Touta is surrounded by a cast of other immortals, so you can’t even make them his vulnerable points, like Superman protecting Lois, Jimmy and Perry White. He doesn’t have any complex dreams or ambitions, so you can’t really bring those as conflict points for him either.

    And enough of the ‘waiting’ argument, please. How much does one have to wait ‘before it gets good’? Is this like the battered wife who keeps saying ‘Oh, he’ll get better, he’ll change’? The current big problem is Touta is pretty much unbeatable and gets random powerups and plot gimmes, so the only way you can prevent that from going further up and worse is by taking those away, and then why to give it to them in the first place? It’s a Catch 22. A building needs good foundations, and it’s extremely unlikely for a story to build good things out of a bad start. The exceptions are just that, exceptions. YMMV on if Negima was one of such exceptions (its start was certainly better than UQ’s), but not only Akamatsu isn’t the same writer he was back then, but lightning doesn’t strike twice in the same place. Plus, Negima’s first few fluff chapters were mostly self contained, so the bad things there weren’t as damaging for the ongoing plot that would show up later on as the plotting problems UQ Holder has shown so far.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Plus, Negima’s first few fluff chapters were mostly self contained, so the bad things there weren’t as damaging for the ongoing plot that would show up later on as the plotting problems UQ Holder has shown so far.

      The first couple of volumes were pretty much fluff, but even there, a proper foundation was being laid so that in volume 3, the things that transpired with both Negi and Asuna had a logical progression.

      Anyway, Chinese raws show Touta about to go full Negi ME. I’ll refrain from further comments on that until I read the chapter. ^_^

    • Seimei says:

      Well then:

      1. You refrain from comparisons with a serious contemporary problem please!

      2. Combiens many times will you repeat the same things it “overkill CURRENT IS AN EXCUSE FOR Tota hoist AT NEGI THIS TO EXPLORE THE IMMORTALITY OF NEGI THROUGH TOTA, while sparing IN A LONG DRIVE! and tedious TRAINING FROM ZERO DEJA VU IN NEGIMA! “Even our Astro “Tota-Basher” number 1 recognized.

      (breathe)

      Do I still recalled the strong probabilitée that future enemies Tota am MUCH stronger than averruncus?

      3 . Immortals UQ -Holder are invincible gods ! : Fun for Jinbei is also butchered a former soldier! AND who said himself that every immortalitée to ss own weaknesses (and some may even be killed almost as normally as mortals and the case of Jinbei , it has only longévitée )

      4 . If the base is zero scénar the rest will inevitably I find the beginning of Bleach with hollows is A SHIT , bow – Soul socity excelling , bow Arrencar good arc Las Noches , and no arc ” Karakura ‘s battle ” lecture (especially the final battle against Aizen )

      There is no Reges absolut for the evolution of a manga! In addition is a matter of taste more than real ” good or bad construction.”

      Tota Evoluion me does not bother me , on the contrary I love it! Because I am convinced , after it has reached the level of Negi , it will face enemies who would spend Fate pouur low and innoffensif baby! Is my conviction! And it’s perfectly justified group immortal heroes . Even astro understood that even if the evolution of Tota exasperates and he’s waits with patience.

      I’m sure Akamatsu Sensei all planned contrairemant what you think.

      • OverMaster says:

        Oh, yes, the out of control power escalation that ‘will make Fate look like an inoffensive baby!’ Because as we all know, the quality of a manga depends on power levels, the higher the better! I’m so thrilled! Surely this won’t degenerate into an absurd power-wank farce like Dragon Ball Z, no sir!

        Also, forgive for not finding ‘the immortality of Negi through Touta’ an exciting prospect. Mainly because I don’t see the need for it. Immortality already is a hard topic for anyone to relate to (because no one is, has been, or even be an immortal in real life). And frankly, even when handled well, it requires a degree of depth and sophistication very hard to achieve in a Shonen manga. It demands for a cerebral approach, and UQ Holder is anything but cerebral.

        With Negima, no one was actually asking for Negi to become an immortal to derail the plot (I would say the same was true, to a lesser degree, of Project Blue Mars, which was only a last second addition to a plot problem Akamatsu brought on himself to the detriment of the answers and solutions for the prior questions people DID want to see addressed, ranging from Arika to the winner of the love polygon and the true final battle against the Lifemaker).

        Part and parcel of Negi’s appeal was he was an underdog fighting an uphill quest. Fallible, yet always getting back up and making the best out of what he had. By making him Super Duper Uber Immortal yet making his life’s work ultimately unable to improve the world (which is considerably worse now than it was by Negima’s times), Akamatsu did the complete opposite- he turned him into someone who had all the power a man could achieve and yet failed. We have a word for people who has all the edges and yet fails. Incompetent. And the worst part is it’s an of-panel incompetence, that only happened, meta-wise, because of Plot Fiat so now the Idiot Hero could have his chance to shine instead. We have traded a hard working thinker for a cheap moron who relies on powers he either inherited or got to achieve with minimal effort and being slapped around a bit. It’s a shallow, empty move, as empty and shallow as Touta, and since Touta gets so much spotlight, as UQ Holder in its majority.

        Also, please either post in French or English, but stop mangling both poor languages with that weird pastiche.

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          Also, please either post in French or English, but stop mangling both poor languages with that weird pastiche.

          I think some French readers are writing in French, then machine translating to English, which tends to leave the occasional word in. ^_^; (I’m guessing they are machine translating my site to French as well.)

        • Seimei says:

          google-trad is the culprit for the “weird pastiche” not me lol.^^

          Ok I’m post in French, use google-trad for understand^^

          Bon alors :

          1. Evidament que l’idéal se serait d’éviter l’orgie de puissance à la dragon-ball (tu notera que j’ai pas parler d’aller jusqu’à 300 000 000 d’unitées hein, à la rigieur 1 000 000 serait déjà pas mal voir 1 000 000 000 (les mazoku de yuyu-hakusho pouvaient aller jusque-là s’est le cas de yomi et raizen) donc l’échelle de puissance a encore du potentiel. On s’ait arrêter à 12 000 (Rakan) Et désolé de briser tes belles illusions mais l’attrait d’un SHONEN (et non pas d’un manga s’est vrai) et plus particulièrement un Nekketsu, outre son scénario bien-sur, réside dans la progression des persos et l’augmentation de puissance s’est un fait. Pourquoi Akamatsu s’est il cassé la tête à faire un tableau des puissances (allant même jusqu’à classer les personnages en rangs (D, C, B, A, AA, AAA, S) comme dans tout les nekketsu ? Parce que s’en est un. Tu n’aimes pas ça ? Alors pourquoi en lis-tu des nekketsu (tu as bien lu negima jusqu’au bout hein ?)

          Et ne me fait pas dire ce que j’ai pas dit, même un nekketsu ne doit pas reposer uniquement sur le combat pour être bon, je l’ai déjà dit mais le scénario est très important aussi. Exemple de Nekketsu au scénario bancal Bleach, après l’arc soul-socity il est partie en chute-libre (surtout à partir de las noches (l’animé et ses interminables fillers n’ont guère aider !). Si je le suis toujours s’est pour les personnages, parce que l’histoire commence à me lasser profondément !

          Mais UQ-Holder vient de commencer depuis VINGTS-TROIS CHAPITRE, on ne connais ni les objectifs des personnages (à oui, au sujet des “grandes ambitions” que Tôta n’aurait pas, negi s’était quoi d&jà ? Ah oui : “JE VEUX MON PAPA !” Ce n’est qu’après qu’il a eu ses grandes visions idéalistes et ambitieuses, qui te dits que pour Tôta ça sera pas pareil ? Mais une évolution CA PREND DU TEMPS ! Toi est astro vous voudriez que Tota se pose des questions existentielles à un moment où Negi batifolait avec des collégiennes d’ailleurs visiblement tu as dts que tu trouvais le début de negima meilleurs… Je rêve ! Moi je préfère mille fois le début de UQ-Holder à celui de Negima et son harem douteux !) Non, tu as décidés avant même le vra début de l’histoire que “s’est de la merde”. Avec cette logique je n’aurait JAMAIS lu Negima que j’aurais assimilé à un harem aux tendances malsaines en me basant JUSTE sur les trois premiers tomes. Je l’ai longtemps fait aujourd’hui je me tape a tête contre les murs ! Une si grandiose histoire, des combats si dantesque ! Pourquoi sui-je passer à côté de ça si longtemps !

          Le comportement que tu adopte est assez proche des anti-negima (je m’arrête à 30 chapitres et je juge”. Tu sais que ça a té une erreur pour Negima. Pourquoi infliger ça à UQ-Holder ? Astro ne fait pas cette erreur lui, même si il n’aime pas Tota il sait que construire un scénario prend du temps et il se souvient probablement de Negima, rien ne laisser présager le beau manga qu’il allait être. Donc Astro dit : “patience” et il dit même que sa patience à lui sera longue…

          On ne connait pas non-plus l’antagonniste, ce qu’il veut à quoi il ressemble. Mais non, tu essaie déjà de le descendre en flèche juste parce qu’il ne correspond pas à TA conception d’un shonen ? Soyons sérieu. Encore une fois, il est TRES probable que les “power-ups super-abusés de Tota ne servent qu’à le mettre à un niveau acceptable pour le reste de UQ-Holder (regarde karin, son pouvoir est pas exagérer peut-être ? Concraitement elle a l’équivalent de la magia-erebea en “sacré” et pour le coup ça lui est littéralement tomber du ciel ! La par contre personne ne hurle s’est pourtant un personnage principale, même si ce n’est pas le main-character !

          Au fait eva aussi est un personnage central, ce qui veut dire à mon avis qu’elle perdra vite de son “aura d’invincibilitée” qu’elle avait dans Negima et tota aussi. Je suis persuadé que comme Negi il devra passer par le sang et les larmes pour avencer mais ce n’est que le début du voyage, je le répète IL EST TROP TÔT pour le mettre face à l’échec !

          Quand au concept d’immortalité excuse-moi mais PERSONNELLEMENT, je trouve GENIAL que Akamatsu choisisse de l’explorer plus en profondeur et pas seulement grâce à Tota mais aussi le reste de Holder (qui sont loin d’être invincible (dixit Jinbei sur les faiblesses des différents immortels, tien d’ailleurs Negi est mort, son immortalité étant la même que Tôta, il peut donc aussi être tuer !^^ (oui car ça m’étonnerait que Negi étant immortel soit mort de vieillesse). Il faudrait aussi que tu comprenne que le fait qu’une oeuvre soit “nul”, “moyenne”, “bonne”, “très bonne” ou “excellente” dépand d’abord des goûts de chacuns ! Ceux qui aiment l’histoire actuelle d’Holder sont ils pour autant des idiots pour toi ? J’ose espérer que non en toute amitiée. Vas donc sur les forums frencophones traitants de UQ-Holder, tu y trouvera un tout autre son de cloche que “UQ-Holder démarre très mal” qui devrait te surprendre.^^ Je te donne l’adresse si tu veux (mais il vaut mieux avoir de bonnes notions de français ou un bon google-tras, pas comme le mien qui écrit de la merde lol) :

          -topic sur le chapitre 23 : http://forums.akamatsu-world.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=667

          2. Negi a échoué ? Les habitants du mundus-magicus probablement sauver grâce à la Terraformation de Mars ne représentent rien, d’accord. La découverte de la magie par les humains (qui a notamant régler les problèmes énergétiques) s’est rien non plus oookkk ! Bah Chao Linchen ne verra aucune diférence entre son monde en guerre perpétuelle et celui de UQ-Holder où certe il y a de grosses inégalitées mais le pire a été éviter. Bien-sur.

          Pour les mangas qui ne sont bons qu’avec de bonnes fondation, je suis désolé mais moi je DETESTE le début de Bleach, il ne devient bon qu’à la soul-socity et après bah… Il y a ds hauts et des bas. Mais le début de bleach ne permet en rien de le juger ! Pareil pour hunter x hunter, je trouve la partie de l’examen TRES lourde à subir, après, une fois le Nen découvert ça devient génial. Tu vois en incluant negima ça fait trois exceptions à ta règle inventée du “le début est nul, l’oeuvre le sera forcément en entier ” lol.

          Je terminerais par ce proverbe : “la critique est facile, l’art est difficile” Tu penses faire mieu qu’Akamatsu pour une suite ? Alors prends ta plume et ECRIS au lieu de critiquer !^^

          • Seimei says:

            ps :”on est pas obliger d’aler juqu’à 300 000 000″ oups je voulais dire “300 000 000 000 (300 milliard) vu que j’ai posé un milliard d’unitée de puissances en limite maxi s’était pas très logique de placer “300 millions” comme chiffre de force aberrant lol

          • Seimei says:

            je post un commentaire que j’ai mis sur un forum français ici (à propos de notre débat) car je m’aperçois que en plus d’informer mes amis “akamatsuistes” (lol) de notre discussion, il contient des arguments que je trouves pertinents :

            “Je m’aperçois que je l’ai mal réfuter l’argument sur l’échelle des puissances. Le problème n’est pas sa grandeur mais sa cohérence. On peut avoir une échelle de puissance immense qui va jusqu’à 500 milliards et être cohérentes et logique. Le problème de Dragon-ball s’est ça, l’échelle est totalement incohérentes : genre les kaio-shin (des dieux !) qui pissent dans leur froque face à des Sayan (des mortels) ou encore un sorcier (Bibidi) qui est incapable de se défende qui arrive à créer un monstre destructeurs de planètes et tueur de dieux (boo boo). Ou, et s’est le plus énormes, le dragon shen-long qui dit lui-même que on pouvoir ne peut dépasser celui de kami (son créateur), kami a dit lui-même qu’il ne peut ressusciter personnes, mais Shen-long ressuscite des populations entières : BIG INCOHERENCE ! Il y a aussi le cas où il rend quelqu’un immortel, mais bien-sur kami est un namek mortel lol ! En faite rien que avec ça (et ça date du début de la fin de la première moitié de Dragon-ball !) on pouvait peut-être déjà prédire que tôt ou tard, l’échelle des puissances aller partir en vrille lol ! D’où les shonens successeurs qui ont inventés le système des strates de puissance (D, C, B, A, S) s’est probablement pour ça.

            Donc la clef d’une échelle de puissance maîtrisé ce n’est pas sa taille (grande ou petite) mais sa cohérence. Donc UQ-Holder peut biens partir dans une débauche de puissance à la DBZ, tant que l’origine des pouvoirs est argumentés, logique et hiérarchisé (“à moins d’un miracle, un vampire ne peut vaincre un dieu”) comme ce fut le cas dans Negima, ce sera très-biens.

            Or pour l’instant, quoi qu’on en dise, les power-ups de Tôta obéissent à une logique (le sang de Negi se réveille en lui^^). Ils sont même bien-plus logiques que dans Fairy-tail ahem, (autre exemple d’échelle de puissance non-maîtrisée (avec des power-up qui pour le coup sortent parfois vraiment de nul-part ! lol) même si s’est moins voyant que dans DB et DBZ^^)…”

          • Seimei says:

            it is true, a little indulgence at the end! Do not exaggerate! although Tota may annoy some (it’s not my case, nor that of Arlia or most French fan. We we like its rapid evolution, it announces having difficulty in more serious-auquels later, we the hopefully he will face.)

            But (and you seem to agree on this point Astro), it is not a reason to throw the manga fire (as seems to want to over-master lol). We also visibly agreements on the fact that, contrary to what he believes, a manga rarely judge in its early stages (especially a shonen!), Which are often quite heavy to digest! That reassures me Astro lol^ ^…

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            But (and you seem to agree on this point Astro), it is not a reason to throw the manga fire (as seems to want to over-master lol).

            Well, Touta is not the only element in this manga. ^_^ I like Karin and Kuroumaru, to say nothing of Eva (Yukihime). And, there are characters that have yet to have much face time. ^_^

  12. Random Lurker says:

    Uwah, you’re getting a lot of flack for stating a valid opinion o__O

    I pretty much agree with you on Touta: the facts that he seems to have an alternate dimension storage for random power ups and that he’s not learning from his past mistakes are annoying. He’s suffering from a major Shounen Hero Syndrome where the world we see completely revolves around him…

    Anyways, thanks for always bringing us news on UQH spoilers =)

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Uwah, you’re getting a lot of flack for stating a valid opinion o__O

      And that’s fine. ^_^

      Anyways, thanks for always bringing us news on UQH spoilers =)

      You’re welcome and thanks to Southrop for sharing them with me. ^_^

  13. Arlia says:

    “And enough of the ‘waiting’ argument, please. How much does one have to wait ‘before it gets good’? ”

    Kinda funny here. We had to wait 10 volumes for Negima to get Good. Plus another 10 volumes for it to become something we’ll all remember.

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Volume 3 was were Negima! got good for me. The manga shifted from fluff to an interesting problem for Negi to take care of, all of which helped lay the groundwork for the Kyoto arc.

      • Seimei says:

        Aligato ! Arlia (salut mon amis !^^) and Astro ! I feel better, I thought for a moment that I was an inhabitant of the fourth dimension that no one could hear! lol

        • AstroNerdBoy says:

          *lol* ^_^

          • Seimei says:

            it is true, a little indulgence at the end! Do not exaggerate! although Tota may annoy some (it’s not my case, nor that of Arlia or most French fan. We we like its rapid evolution, it announces having difficulty in more serious-auquels later, we the hopefully he will face.)

            But (and you seem to agree on this point Astro), it is not a reason to throw the manga fire (as seems to want to over-master lol). We also visibly agreements on the fact that, contrary to what he believes, a manga rarely judge in its early stages (especially a shonen!), Which are often quite heavy to digest! That reassures me Astro … lol ^ ^

            ps : I was wrong recipient for the com (if yours was that I had destined Astro^^) MDR! sorry for the double post.

          • AstroNerdBoy says:

            Understood. ^_^

  14. OverMaster says:

    “We had to wait 10 volumes for Negima to get Good. Plus another 10 volumes for it to become something we’ll all remember.”

    I disagree. Three volumes in, it was far better than UQ Holder is by now, which should be like halfway into its own Volume 3.

    “t is not a reason to throw the manga fire”

    Not my choice, chief. The manga is tossing itself into a creative fire. I’m just pointing it out, so don’t shoot the messenger. Oh, it’ll surely still succeed anyway, mostly because the twelve year olds in the Japanese target audience will love its cheap power fantasy outlets, but it’s a shame it can’t be a smart manga instead of being a regurgitation of Shonen cliches and archetypes.

    • Seimei says:

      (the present commentary is in french, Google is recommended for the understanding :

      Le messager. D’accords, je tiens quand-même a prévenir Astro que je viens d’apprendre par un de mes camarade français, que tu es un troll avec une sacré réputation sur les akamatsu-forum anglophones. Tu as été si déçus par la fin de Negima que d’après lui tu clash SYSTÉMATIQUEMENT ce qui a un rapport avec Akamatsu (je n’ai pas demandé si ça concernait ses anciens tavaux mais je penses que vu qu’il a dit “TOUT” je pense avoir ma réponse…) A moins que Astro soit déjà au courant, si s’est le cas alors je prêche à un converti lol.

      “Oh, it’ll surely still succeed anyway, mostly because the twelve year olds in the Japanese target audience will love its cheap power fantasy outlets, but it’s a shame…”

      Sympa de dire que les lecteurs de UQ-Holders sont tous des gamins (ou des attardés mentaux vu ce que ton estimation de l’âge des lecteurs de Holders sous-entend). Astro, Arlia, moi-même ainsi que la communauté du forum francophone “akamatsu-world” te remercions, pour information j’ai 24 ans merci !

      Et selon ta logique Negima s’est pour qui ? Les perverts et les tordus ? Tien en parlant de ça tu affirme : “Three volumes in, it was far better than UQ Holder is by now, which should be like halfway into its own Volume 3.”

      Tu veux parlais des volumes ou Negi se fat harcelé par ses grandes-sœurs… euh pardon étudiantes ! Je suis désolé mais pour moi, je le répète, les trois premiers volumes sont quasiment de la merde. Bon aller, disons les deux premiers (le troisième s’est le premier combat contre Eva (enfin le seul plutôt) donc il est évidement meilleur que le reste).

      Perso je préfère 1 000 fois le début de Holder à celui de Negima.

      “it’s a shame it can’t be a smart manga instead of being a regurgitation of Shonen cliches and archetypes.”

      Evidamment, un monde régit par des mega-corporations où règne l’instabilitée sociale n’a aucune profondeurs. Ou plutôt tu juge qu’il n’en a pas JUSTE à cause de Tôta. MAIS BON SANG ON EST AU CHAPITRE 23 !! Le manga n’a même pas commencer depuis un an ! Comme dit Astro “patience !”. Enfin, Over-master, s’est avec une logique comme la tienne que j’ai longtemps était révuls par Negima ! J’ai lus deux volumes (et vu l’anime, ERREUR FATALE !) et je me suis dits : “BEURKKK, un prof de 10 ans entouré par des collégiennes qui se transforment en magical-girl ! Vade-Retro !”

      Je m’en suis mordu les doigts par la suite, quand j’ai vu les OAV “Ala-Alba” et “Mou-Hitotsu no sekai” ! ! Ne commis pas la même erreur que beaucoup ont fait avec Negima ! Tu devrais le savoir puisque tu l’aime (enfin je pense hein ! Vu que tu rumine ta rancune depuis que la fin de Negima n’a pas correspondu à TES attentes ! Tu sais over-master, je vais t’apprendre une chose. Ton opinion est parfaitement valable en tant que telle mais elle n’est pas la vérité universelle !

      Tu devrais regarder ou lire “Misery” de Stephan-King, ça décrit parfaitement comment les fans frustrés qui pensent savoir écrire mieux que l’auteur qu’ils lisent risquent de finir lol. Il y a aussi un épisode de The Mystic Archives of Dantalian” (un manga philosophique et sans explosions pyrotechniques, tu vois que je n’aimes pas QUE des mangas avec de grosses explosions d’énergies ! Je lis aussi des mangas (ou plutôt regarde des animés) d’enquêtes paranormales ou d’enquêtes policières, même si oui, les shonens d’heroic-fantasy restent mes favoris ! Je n’aime pas que ça, mais j’aimes aussi ça. Suis-je un retardé mental pour autant ? SOMMES-NOUS des retardés mentaux pour autant ?!) Mais rassures-toi, il y a une thérapie pour les fans frustrés. Elle set aussi au fans impatients de faire la suite d’une histoire, aux écrivains en herbes et aux amateurs de couples atypiques dans les œuvres de fiction. Ca s’appelle les fanfictions ! J’en suis moi-même un fervent adepte lol

      Mais bon, je sais maintenant que tu es un troll. Et un troll n’entends pas les arguments. Ou pire il les déformes et les tords à leurs convenances dans le sans qui les arranges. Hélas…

      • arimareiji says:

        Seimei: Given the limitations of machine translation, have you thought about the possibility that your words are being translated into something that’s much more rude than what you intended? (Just for one example, repeatedly addressing someone with “shit” is considered impolite by most English speakers if it’s not in the appropriate setting.)

        Similarly, have you considered the possibility that at least some of your anger is based on not understanding the nuances of what people are saying?

        I can’t say I would be any different if I tried to read a French blog and got in an argument with the community. I would probably misunderstand and assume the worst, too. But at some point, you have to realize: People aren’t responsible for understanding what you meant, or what you would have said if you had understood correctly. They’re only responsible for trying to understand what you actually say.

        • Seimei says:

          Je sais s’est le problème des logiciels de traductions. J’essaye cependant d’écrire le mieux possible pour que le logiciel n’interprète pas d’une mauvaise manière ce que je dits.^^ et j’ai dit “merde” dans le sens d’une insulte courante. Je sais que s’est impolit pour les anglophones mais j’ai vu beaucoup de bloggeur anglophone l’utiliser quand même, don.c..

  15. kat says:

    This is really different from your Negima! reviews.
    I understand the frustration with the new series, but you are really bashing it!
    Anyways, a proper backstory for Touta should resolve some the issues

    • AstroNerdBoy says:

      Anyways, a proper backstory for Touta should resolve some the issues

      I agree.

      One minor correction — this wasn’t a review, but rather a spoiler image post. ^_~ What did you think of my actual reviews? I don’t think I’m bashing that hard, but I could be wrong and want to see things as you are seeing them. ^_^

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