January 2nd, 2015 
AstroNerdBoy Here are SPOILER rumor/information for the upcoming UQ Holder chapter 63, courtesy of 2ch. (My review of UQ Holder chapter 63 should come out Wednesday.)
UQ HOLDER CHAPTER 63 SPOILERS
The UQ Holder chapter 63 goodness begins.^_^
From ChaosProphet:
とんでもなく強ぇ姉ちゃん
刀太は真名と手合わせをすることになる
接近戦ではガンカタ健在、距離を離せばスナイパーライフルの餌食
手も足も出ず完敗だがそれでも真名は合格だという
ネギは真名の100倍は強いと言われ刀太がっくりところで真名は、学園長代理を務めていた
塔のてっぺんで”まほら武道会”が開かれると刀太に教える
Mana is the deputy headmaster. She tells Touta the Mahora Martial Arts Tournament is open at the top of the tower.
If this turns out to be true, then I guess we’ll be staying at school far longer than I thought. Not sure I’m into this whole tournament idea either, though it gives Touta an opportunity to master a bunch of styles in a short frame of time.
Update: Now there’s an image, courtesy of MK.
Well, this is obviously from the match that she has against Touta. I’m rather looking forward to this chapter.
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Astro: ” Not sure I’m into this whole tournament idea either, though it gives Touta an opportunity to master a bunch of styles in a short frame of time.”
Bah was the case for Negi then I see why it would be absurd to Tota.
“I DON’T see why…”
On Mana … Welll it’s true that if she is associate director due to do something …
The worst is that we never have any explanations as they do not remember. After it can be often absent (for missions for example …)
But hey, mana is not omnipotante or with bi-location power can not be everywhere and could not contain the zombies alone (in the attack of the manor of Kurt Godel, the presence of Mana n ‘not prevent Cosmo-Entelekeia perform carnage after all …) and for her Mazoku’s form unless facing a big boss she never uses it goes so well …
Because making Negi himself a Jack of All Trades Gary Stu (instead of the hard working relatable underdog he was for the first half of the series) that greatly surpassed everyone else in his team (Eva doesn’t count, she wasn’t an actual part of the field Ala Alba) was a mistake on itself, and yet Akamatsu seems posed to repeat it with Touta.
1. I was talking about how quickly Negi has learned the fight to participate in Mahora tournament.
2. Negima was a Nekketsu, UQ Holder is ALSO a Nekketsu, characteristic of a Nekketsu is to ensure that the main character becomes overpowered (which does not prevent the secondary characters to progress as of course), so there was nothing abberrant that Negi becomes overpowered. Like Tota. Also I do not know if you’ve ever played Dungeon & Dragon but is the basis of the excessive Fantasy epic, if you train your character can kill a god lol.
So whether it’s heroic-fantaisy point Nekketsu view or perspective there is nothing to repprocher to Negma nor UQ Holder
This is not the kind UQ Holder but even whole Nekketsu you ask to reconstruct here, do you realize that? eh?
After I’ll repeat myself AGAIN but what you said is that your personal opinion. It’s not because you think that the epic disproportion is a mistake that is necessarily the case. Also do not consider people who have the opposite view to yours as morons okay? And before you say to me, “Yeah, but are not your case, perhaps?”.
Bah precisely what I try to tell people like you has to stop taking their opinion for a universal truth.
You have the right to not like certain aspects of a manga or anime as a whole, but the fact that you do not like a manga does not make a bad manga (or vice versa). Simply because any opinion is necessarily subjective.
To take things the wrong way, you probably love some mangas that I do not like (and it may be that we both loved as some manga ^^) and Real I would not allow me to decree that the manga is bad. I will say that personally I find that he is but I’ll try not to decree that a universal and compelling way.
I was trying to tell you for months by “respected the tastes of others.”
After maybe I interpreters incorrectly your words, if possible, my French friends often tell me that I am misinterpreting what people say sometimes. But I seriously feel when I read you that you decreed that your views have truth value, then that is JUST an opinion and nothing more. And is the same for MY opinions.
After you tell me not to take your words in a personal way (which is not the case okay … But I have the impression that you take a personal way your disappointment with UQ Holder, for the passionate way with which you get sent forth in the critical section keg against a simple manga. ^^
Relativized, man, I’ve already said but the fact that UQ Holder eventually be successful, will not ruin your life, so stop to fire you because of your disappointment …
I tried to do a Google search on what Nekketsu is and there is no such result so I’m assuming you mean Shounen that is aimed at 12 year olds so I will use Nekketsu as a term to refer to Shounen series that uses those certain characteristics and cliches unless you just made that term up.
The fact that UQ Holder is a Nekketsu and have to follow characteristics of a Nekkestsu manga is a BAD thing. In other words it makes the story and plot extremely cliche and predictable. You would contradict yourself if you try to bring up a Nekketsu manga that doesn’t follow those characteristics and it would be an outlier since you said it yourself in your post that a Nekkestsu manga has to follow a characterstics of a Nekketsu.
You know what makes Negima different to your typical Nekketsu manga despite the fact that it has Nekketsu elements? It also has elements of Visual Novels and Light Novels. Hence, Negima manage to attract both Nekketsu fans (Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, YuYu Hakusho, Toriko, Hunter X Hunter, Inuyasha, Shaman King, Magi etc) and Visual Novel and Light Novels fans (Fate/Stay Night, Toaru Majutsu no Index, Zero no Tsukaima, Shakugan no Shana, Clannad, Tsukihime, Spice and Wolf, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, Steins;Gate, Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Highschool DxD, Bakemonogatari etc).
So I think it’s pretty clear that the Negima fans who are fan of Nekketsu manga would like UQ Holder but the fans who like Visual Novels and Light Novels will most likely dislike it. You see in a Nekketsu fan perspective since most of them are kids and teenagers they will see Negima’s plot in a very simple and linear point of view. Basically to them Negima is all about Negi becoming a Magister Magi and finding his father.
But a fan who plays Visual Novels and read Light Novels would usually have very high standards and thus they see Negima’s plot in a more complex point of view basically they will try to take note of the foreshadowings and hints given by the author. So basically to them they will try to connect Negima’s plot to Chao being a martian from the future, the magic world being Mars itself, Negi’s action in the magic world resulting to the bad future that created 30 years war between Mars and Earth, and possibly the missing piece we didn’t see on how all of this will connect to Nagi and the Lifemaker. So don’t be surprised if Negima fans who is not satisfied with UQ Holder has higher standards.
Another thing is that fans of Visual Novels and Light Novels cares a lot about character development something Negima succeeds and something that UQ Holder fails to do. Series like Little Busters or Grisaia no Kajitsu shows superior development towards it’s characters and is considered as a central point of the plot but would you expect fans of lets say a Nekketsu manga to care more about character development rather than fights? Of course not. Since Nekketsu are aimed towards kids and teenagers. However that is something that Negima was able to fix and UQ Holder has yet to.
One more important thing. Do you know why Ken Akamatsu’s assistant quit? Because those so called Nekketsu fans complained that those Latin and Greek incantations are hard to pronounce and a lot of interesting magical theories and concept from Negima was dropped in order to cater to their taste and the interesting concepts from Negima has to be dumb down because the so called Nekketsu fans do not understand such complicated things. This is why a typical Nekketsu manga like Fairy Tail would never have such complex and well researched documents about magic compared to Negima. Now do you understand why UQ Holder also lacks these?
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3880140&postcount=236
Last thing while I do find Dargor and OverMaster’s constant whining and complaining quite annoying. I’m starting to find you annoying as well especially on how you try to bring up Nekketsu to justify UQ Holder’s flaws. Sorry, no offense but this is my opinion.
I hadn’t considered the light novel/visual novel aspects, but I think you have a point there. It is true that what generated the most discussion was trying to find the clues in Negima that were foreshadowing (or the like) and then debate/discuss where things would go and how the pieces fit into the greater scheme of things.
With UQ Holder, it became clear fairly quickly that Akamatsu-sensei was going the Fairy Tail route — plot out story arc, but don’t worry about the big story other than vague hints as that element will be figured out later. As such, this negates a lot of speculation discussion and debate.
Well, I will answer you point by point my friend^^ :
1. “The fact That UQ Holder is a Nekketsu and to follow-have characteristics of a Nekkestsu manga is a BAD thing. In words –other It makes the story and plot Extremely cliche and predictable. You Would contradict yourself if you try to bring-up a Nekketsu manga That Does not follow Those characteristics and it Would Be an outlier since you Said it yourself in your post Nekkestsu manga Has That has to follow a characterstics of a Nekketsu. ”
All I mean by this, is that we can not say that manga is bad because it respects the codes of its kind that makes no sense. I’m not saying that Nekketsu not be original, otherwise I would not be a fan of Akame ga Kill for example.
I’m just saying it’s not because a Nekketsu is written as a Nekketsu conventionally it is bad. On the contrary! Otherwise it would have no sense! Would like to say that a horror film is bad because it scared lol.
2. “What Makes You know Negima different to your typical manga Nekketsu DESPITE the fact That It Has Nekketsu Elements? It aussi HAS Elements of Visual Novels & Light Novels. Hence, Negima manages to Attract Both Nekketsu fans (Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach , One Piece, Fairy Tail, YuYu Hakusho, Toriko, Hunter X Hunter, Inuyasha, Shaman King, Magi etc) and Visual Novel and Light Novels fans (Fate / Stay Night, A Certain Magical Index, Zero no Tsukaima, Shakugan no Shana, Clannad, Tsukihime, Spice and Wolf, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, Steins; Gate, Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Highschool DxD, Bakemonogatari etc). ”
Ah there you give me the opportunity to clarify a thing: I am myself a lover of light-novel, particulièremet the universe “To aru” and “highschool dxd, I also liked Shakugan no Shana. I said that. because I have the impression that some consider me here without telling like an idiot sexist Narutard experiencing a fierce hatred for romance JUST because I do not like the 3-A and do not worship as embodied goddesses … But is TOTALLYy false.
I loved Inuyasha also for its ability to mix epic adventure and romance. As for the harem, I can find interest harem … when it focuses on a HIGH SCHOOLBOY and HIGH SCHOOLGIRL, instead of a 10 year old boy and a bunch of 33 schoolgirls tasteless.
Excuse me to find not only more credible but especially MUCH LESS UNHEALTHY the relationship between Issei and “family” Rias Gremory in Highschool DxD for example. But this is only my opinion, I don’t impose it.^^
3. “But a fan Who plays Visual Novels and read Light Novels Would usually-have very high standards and THUS They See Negima’s plot in a more complex points of view Basically They Will try to take notes and hints of the foreshadowings Given by the author. So Basically to Them They Will try to connect Negima’s plot to Chao being white has martian from the future, the magic world being white March Itself, Negi’s action in the magic world resulting and to the bad future That created 30 years war entre Mars and Earth, and Possibly the missing piece we About did not see how all of this is Will connect to Nagi and the Lifemaker. So do not be surprised if Negima fans Who is not satisfied with UQ Holder HAS Higher Standards. ”
On this point you give me the opportunity to clarify things:
a) Do not think Nekketsu fans, like the fight. Having seen many forums devoted to classical nekketsus I can tell you that there are many topics dealing with the evolution of a particular character or relationship (romantic or not) with others. Even on a Nekketsu like Bleach.
In terms of the development of the story is the same. You think the fans of One-Piece, Shaman-King or Magi concentre only for the fighting in reading these mangas? If this is the case (and I said well “if”), then you are mistaken. I myself am one to seek the smallest detail allowing me to solve a puzzle in the plot. Even in Bleach and One Piece.
So much so that sometimes tells me I think too much. All that to say that more the story is complex, more I have fun! This does not mean that a story that is not complex is not interesting (and UQ would and probably WILL become complex, I think), it is a simple matter of taste nothing else.
What’s more is if I had continued to apply the quick judgment and ruled that the alleged “defenders of the flouted honor of Negima” apply to UQ Holder, I would surely remained “ecchi manga tends strongly Shotacon, can towards the trash “. Fortunately, oav “Mo hitotsu no sekai” cured me of my stupidity. ^^ So I would ask the anti-UQ (I do not myself to you addresses in the rest of this paragraph Ranzuki I prefer specify) temper about them. I feel even in them the same narrow reasoning that I had about Negima (and some people again!) But in the other direction, which is just as depressing. Is why they annoy me. Judge a manga as bad as it does not match what we attand egoistically I think is very inappropriate. A bad manga is a manga that is appropriate for anyone who does not find its public and then can not find it (if is the case of Fairy Tail annoys more and more people, including me, keeps this manga is due to me only the attachment of the fanbase to lers characters, but the script, I think apart from a few hardcore fans, nobody pays any interest. with it. But UQ is different, oh yes very different trust me. Contrary to appearances Tota is not a “Natsu-like” and UQ Holder (the group) is not a “fairy-tail-like” and I explained why many times huh?) .
For me Negima becomes good from Volume 12, not at chapter 50 (Dargor huh? ^^). We are in Volume 6 and Tota begins to show signs of questioning. PATIENCE! You wanted he becomes tortured and doubt ihis capabilities from Chapter 10? Lool!
b) “So Basically to Them They Will try to connect Negima’s plot to Chao being white has martian from the future, the magic world being white March Itself, Negi’s action in the magic world resulting and to the bad future That created 30 years war entre Mars and Earth ”
In my opinion we are NOT in the timeline Chao linchen. If you believe the research Poyo, the timeline Chao was initiated when the mundus-magicus was destroyed. And anticipated event 9 years and 6 months after Negima (without Negi plan). I allow myself also to say that I did the math, which led us to the end … 2012 lool and yes, the Mayans were right in Negima!
So the war in the world of Chao lasted for 100 years! Not 30! In addition, it is implied that in his world, discovering the magic of mankind took place in the worst way and mages and supernatural beings are persecuted and rejected it, not to mention the 2050 cataclysm probably took place there as well and has certainly not arrenge things!
If this theory is correct, we understand why she wanted to change the past! So no, Negi has not failed: the magicus Mundus is a priori saved, the war on Mars will start 100 years tards and will last only 30 years and the magic is accepted by the population.
The world of UQ Holder is I think THOUSAND TIMES better than Chao Linchen’s world.
There is little that the primary anti-UQ as Dargor or Overmaster lol) to identify the world of UQ Holder Chao world because they seems inconceivable that Negi succeeded his plan, without creating the world looks like Care Bears . For them is white or black? No gray? lol.
4. “One more significant thing. Do you know why Ken Akamatsu’s assistant quit? Because Those so called fans complained Nekketsu That Those Latin and Greek incantations are hard to Pronounce and a lot of interesting theories and magical concept from Negima Was dropped in order to Their cater to the taste and interesting concepts from Negima hAS to Be dumb down Because The so called fans Nekketsu do not Understand Such complicated things. This is why a typical Nekketsu like manga Fairy Tail Would never-have Such complex and well Researched materials about magic Compared Negima to. do you understand why Now UQ Holder aussi Lacks these? ”
On this point I’m agreements, I had already exchanged with Federica on the fact that the negima Lexicum and incantations in Latin, Greek and Sanskrit were the few things I regretted not found in UQ Holder in addition to the great storyline and epic fights. ^^
By cons, you will not make me believe that was the presence of a schoolgirl harem Akamatsu has allowed to create this lexicon and detail his incantations and univer, no I think he also would have done it all by making a 100% Nekketsu, Shaman-king such as he had the distinction of detail and intellectualize his world as possible while remaining accessible, and there was NO harem.
I rehearsals but “fan Nekketsu” does not necessarily mean “prepubescent teenager supide and uncultured.” However, it is true that it is demmage that this segment of the fanbase has pushed Nekketsu Akamatsu halt its lexicons.
5. Glad to see that excessive complaints Dargor or Overmaster not annoy only me lol. However, I want to say that I have NEVER reproaches them not liked UQ Holder, I repproche to judge it so nearly as bad or irrevocably “ininteresting except for kids” because it did not fit their personal standards, this by invoking each time several rather not very consistent arguments to explain that “tHEM leading experts are right and those who love UQ obvious have wrong (even if it is true that Dargor seems to shake less, it is true, unless it is I who confused his positions with those of Overmaster from the start? ^^).
While again: “It’s a matter of taste nothing else”
No do not worry you have not offended me.
ps: Oh, but my friends told me, you know a lot of manga and light novels-I was cheating on me or you read (or are reading) most if not all manga and L-N^ that you quoted? ^^
ps (2) : sorry for the VERY BIG comment.
I didn’t plan on joining this discussion, but I want to point some things out to you, Ranzuki.
“So I think it’s pretty clear that the Negima fans who are fan of Nekketsu manga would like UQ Holder but the fans who like Visual Novels and Light Novels will most likely dislike it. You see in a Nekketsu fan perspective since most of them are kids and teenagers they will see Negima’s plot in a very simple and linear point of view. Basically to them Negima is all about Negi becoming a Magister Magi and finding his father.”
1. May I ask you to refrain from generalizing? I said this to Seimei himself before: Saying things like this when you yourself know nothing about the persons in question is bad. I for one, enjoy UQ Holder, and yet I love visual novels and histories with a much more complicated plot. It just so happens that I know this is just one series amidst a lot of others I like. I don’t need to get all worked up and complain because it’s not Negima or that it follows the most common Shounen formula. Seriously. And if we are talking about flaws here, Negima was not perfect in my point of view either. Far from perfect, I must say… For example, an harem of 31 girls, most of which kept derailing the plot whenever they had the oportunity. Part of me believes that, if we had less of their antics and didn’t lose that many chapters with pointless things that added almost nothing to the actual plot, MAYBE we would have seen the actual ending, before Akamatsu had to finish the series prematurely. And before someone comes and says “You hate most of the 3-A? That’s sexist!”, no. Don’t put words in my mouth, because this has nothing to do with them being girls. It has to do with them getting in the way of the freaking plot. I’ve played games which only had girls and I’ve seen quite some animes that had either 0, 1 or 2 guys and one billion girls, and never had a problem with it, because the girls actually helped to make the plot go on instead of slowing down the pace of the story. And actually, this applies to a lot of manga/visual novels/light novels in some aspects(Hello, Misaka Network, I love all of you! And WORST is the best.). Now I’m not saying Holder’s plot is a wonderful thing – I did say I enjoy the series, but that’s about it. It’s not one of my favorites, but I don’t find it THAT bad either. I like some of the characters, I enjoy some arcs and I of course like the characters of Negima that made an appearance so far. But your comment makes it look like that, to enjoy this saga, a person needs to be just a Nekketsu(I don’t know what that means either, so I’ll just go with your definition) fan or something, and in your own words “have a simple and linear point of view”. That’s not the case. Do you even know most of the Nekketsu fans in the world, to make such an statement?
“But a fan who plays Visual Novels and read Light Novels would usually have very high standards and thus they see Negima’s plot in a more complex point of view basically they will try to take note of the foreshadowings and hints given by the author. (…) So don’t be surprised if Negima fans who is not satisfied with UQ Holder has higher standards.”
2. Indeed a fan of Visual and Light Novels (or even good books in general) is usually more picky about their readings, but can you tell me how exactly that gets in the way of enjoying another story, even if it has a way less intrincated plot? A person is not limited to enjoy just one sort of thing, just because it’s more complex. The same way I can be a fan of things like D. Gray-Man, Evangelion, Psyren or Shaman King, I can also be a fan of others like Fairy Tail, UQ Holder, Saint Seiya, DBZ or the Nasuverse novels, To Aru Majutsu no Index(this one is AWESOME) and so on. I can enjoy a good fight the same way I can enjoy an awesome plot.
“Another thing is that fans of Visual Novels and Light Novels cares a lot about character development something Negima succeeds and something that UQ Holder fails to do.”
3. Never thought I would be defending UQ Holder like this, but at chapter 63, Negima also had A TON of characters which we didn’t know almost a (important) thing about. Except that they were all falling head over heels for Negi, I guess. The ones that actually got some nice development at this point were Negi, Setsuna, Asuna and Evangeline- still more than UQ Holder, which has Santa and… Kuroumaru, I guess? Karin is practically non-existant(*SIGH*), and that’s one thing she has in common with Ikku. Maybe we’ll get to see something in the following chapters. I mean, Santa was a small ray of hope… BUT TOUTA’S AND THE DARKNESS OF HIS MAGIA EREBEA POWERS MIGHT OVERSHADOW SUCH MEANINGLESS HOPE, IN DUE TIME(Yeah, I hate Touta). LOL But if we are talking about Negima… You know, to this day we still don’t know some very important plot points about its characters. Ako’s scar, how Sayo died, etc… Not that we will get any explanation. Not that I care about these characters, but it would be awesome to get some more revelations about the ones that were more relevant to the main plot. If we are talking about the majority of the 3-A, I couldn’t be more satisfied about Akamatsu “dropping a bridge” on them.
“One more important thing. Do you know why Ken Akamatsu’s assistant quit? Because those so called Nekketsu fans complained that those Latin and Greek incantations are hard to pronounce and a lot of interesting magical theories and concept from Negima was dropped in order to cater to their taste and the interesting concepts from Negima has to be dumb down because the so called Nekketsu fans do not understand such complicated things.”
4. There you go again with the generalizing… Sigh. You’re talking with ONE person, why do you feel the need to talk bad about ALL the persons that fall in this so called “Nekketsu fan” category? Think about it. As for the spells being removed, now THIS is a bad thing. I really loved the incantations, and the series loses a good part of its shine without them.
Okay first of all “Nekketsu” isn’t even a proper term or an actual established genre. As I tried to take a look if such term is being used by Japanese fans or even English speaking fans and no such term is used by them which means it’s a term used only by French and Spanish speaking fans. The only info I found about it is an article on Wikipedia written in French and I had to use google translate to understand what it says.
Here is what I found on the French wikipedia article.
the hero is a young orphan boy (or living separated from their parents);
the father’s research is a recurring theme;
the hero often has a quest he wants to achieve and what absolutely, whatever the obstacles;
fundamentally honest and innocent, he is often naive;
it is endowed with abilities or powers outside the norm, sometimes magical;
in the company of friends met during his quest, he fights against evil;
his first opponents usually become his most faithful companions
they participate in a tournament or something similar;
when it is about to lose or die, the hero gets up stronger than ever, thanks to his will, his “burning desire to win” (Nekketsu) honesty (justice), team spirit (friendship) and dedication to the public interest (will to win) are the main values promoted by the manga.
You see it basically describes every stupid shounen cliches and how incredibly shallow it is and you’re not surprised why LN/VN fans hated it? If every author will use this idea for the sake of making an adventure story then it is a bad thing as it is only copy pasting ideas from other author and it shows lack of originality.
And no, you can’t compare Nekketsu to horror because horror is an actual well established genre so that is a bad argument. Nekketsu is simply shounen cliche at least from the definition of what I’ve read on the French/Spanish Wikipedia article and on top of that it’s very specific in details on what it does unlike horror genre as a whole which is very broad. What you can compare to Nekketsu is a sub-genre of horror. For example in Japanese horror you will always see a vengeful female ghost as the antagonist that curses her victims while there is no actual term to describe that kind of story we all know it’s cliche because several Japanese horror uses that idea. The same concept applies to zombie apocalypse which also uses repetitive formula when it comes to writing the storyline and possible outcomes.
And no there is no such codes. And making up restrictions like that will only limit author’s creativity in trying to make original concepts if every shounen will have to follow that route hence why UQ Holder recieves criticism. That’s why harem anime that also uses the same cliche like making the protagonist a generic dense guy who is a loser or a shoujo anime where popular guy falls inlove with the unpopular girl gets criticism because fans who had read and watch hundreds of manga and anime are simply sick and tired of them and find them predicatable unless authors stayed out of the safe zone and created something new that doesn’t follow the codes that you try to speak of example of this is School Days. In any case Love Hina was a different case because it is the harem manga that created the cliche that made the genre popular and other series that will use the same idea will simply labeled as a Love Hina rip-off. You can apply the same logic to your Nekketsu and in the end everything will be unoriginal if you have to follow those codes and not think outside the box.
You know why I didn’t put Akame ga Kill in that list? Because I actually like it and it’s one of the so called manga that you tried to label as Nekketsu that tries to break the boundaries and did create something new. Akame ga Kill clearly has dark elements that can be seen from Light Novels that most generic shounen does not possess and it’s unpredictability is what makes it even better. It uses Shounen cliche and tried to twist it in a diferent direction. On the top of that it’s main villain is a female and is inlove with the MC. It’s also the same case with Negima being a Nekketsu but with a different twist and it adds the light heartedness of the slice of life genre in a Nekketsu setting which another thing that made it stand out.
If you think about it UQ Holder has the potential to become something similar to Akame ga Kill with Eva hinting that Touta and Karin are the only immortal thats might survive in the end and the fact that UQ Holder and the current Ala Alba is like Night Raid and Jaegers in a different way. If you want to make a comparison with only 55 chapters Akame ga Kill’s side characters and even villains are more developed compared to UQ Holder with 63 chapters only Kuroumaru and Santa are the developed ones. So if I had to choose I’ll rather see UQ Holder go into the same route as Akame ga Kill instead of your typical Nekketsu.
Except that I’m not talking specifically about you. I’m talking about the majority of the fanbase as a whole. You’re only in the minority and you do not represent the majority. The fact is in what you describe as a Nekketsu and from what I read on Nekektsu and the definition of what Nekketsu is it is the type of manga that will always attract kids and teenagers and is rarely liked by more mature fans. The storyline is written to suit their taste. Even Ken Akamatsu himself mention that he had to accomodate to those new younger readers which put a bad taste in the mouth of the older and more mature fans who prefer storyline that involves critical thinking and character development.
Wait so you hated the concept of Harem and wanted Negima to be both school boys and school girls but you try to impose that Nekketsu has to respect the codes of Nekketsu? I think you just contradict yourself here. Since Negima is already established as a Harem why are you complaining that it has multiple girls? It just means that people can also complain about Nekketsu manga as well for being a Nekketsu. If you dislike the harem concept and wanted it to be out of Negima while you like the concept of Nekketsu to remain and add the multiple pairings that most Seinen fans do not enjoy then that just proves that you are being selfish as there are always going to be people who enjoy the harem and reverse harem concept, there are also people who enjoys the yaoi and yuri concept, there are people who like slice of life concept, etc. So if you don’t like it who are you to say that Negima should be a mixed class of both boys and girls to fit for your personal liking?
Except that again those forum does not represent the majority of the fanbase. You don’t expect millions of people who reads Shounen Jump to discuss on the forums and the millions of casual fans who watches anime for fun and not to analyze if the story is good or not. They far outnumber those few thousands that you see on forums. Most of them happens to be kids and teenagers. That’s like saying not all Kuroshitsuji fans are girls while it is true that there are some boys who watches it you can’t deny that majority of it’s fanbase are females. This is why some of the original fans of DBZ or Naruto when they grew older they move on to different genres. What we talk about here is the primary target audience.
Did you just ignore the part that the reason he dropped the lexicons and the incantations is because of those very same newer fans that think it’s very complicated for them and they think it’s hard to imitate it in speech? You can try to read the link that I gave you.
“This all started when Ken did a series of reader surveys, and according to them, Negima is encounter a flux of new readers after 6 years (meaning 12-18 years old, when the original shonen readers all graduated from high school and onto other things.) and those younger readers complains that the Latin/Greek spells are too complicated and too hard for them to imitate in speech, you can notice a “dumb down” effect from then as Ken’s making an effort to accmodate the new readers.”
Unfortunately, yes it is their fault that Ken’s assistant left.
Whether you are right or wrong about Chao Lingshen is not the issue here. You can see that I only bought it up as an example to explain the perpsective of a typical Nekketsu reader in comparison to the perspective of a Light Novel reader. But if it turns out that we won’t get to see the war between Mars and Earth in UQ Holder timeline if there isn’t any timeskip then I will be greately disappointed. The first two arc which is the Introduction arc and Slum arc were terrible then UQ Holder got better with Fate arc and Investigation arc but if we are going to have another stupid Tournament arc that has been done to death in almost every Nekketsu instead of an epic Mars vs. Earth arc that I was waiting to see happen in this manga then I will be greatly disappointed. And if you use Nekketsu as an excuse to justify to have a Tournament arc then that just proves that I was right all along.
Here is something I remember that you posted a few weeks ago in your conversation with Ragna.
“If you want to think primarily, plus a good story (the opposite way so), read Fullmetal Alchemist, Death Nothe or view Gueass Code or Psycho pass (well, I should perhaps start this one ^^) I have all appreciated elsewhere. But do not read of Nekketsu it’s not the good kind of manga! ^^”
Wait…so you do admit that Nekketsu is not a good kind of manga? Then why can’t we have a Nekketsu that allows us to think and has a dark and deep plot? Why not both? Seriously?
As for on topic regarding Negi becoming 100 times stronger than Mana. While I do understand that if Mana means as a human form then that’s perfectly reasonable but if it’s demon form Mana who fights on par with Poyo who is on par with RT2 Negi then yeah that is way blown out of proportion and saying that Negima is a Nekketsu is not enough to justify that reasoning.
Now to make everything short. My main complain about you is that you should stop using Nekketsu as a benchmark.
PS: I have a feeling that you are actually a combination of multiple people with similar opinions mixed into a single user. Am I right?
“If you think about it UQ Holder has the potential to become something similar to Akame ga Kill with Eva hinting that Touta and Karin are the only immortal thats might survive in the end and the fact that UQ Holder and the current Ala Alba is like Night Raid and Jaegers in a different way. If you want to make a comparison with only 55 chapters Akame ga Kill’s side characters and even villains are more developed compared to UQ Holder with 63 chapters only Kuroumaru and Santa are the developed ones. So if I had to choose I’ll rather see UQ Holder go into the same route as Akame ga Kill instead of your typical Nekketsu.”
1. Hey, it’s me again. This would be an awesome twist to UQ, but I don’t think Akamatsu is man enough to do it. Even in Negima he just went and resurrected EVERY single character, from the most important to the most irrelevant, as soon as the MM arc ended. *facepalm* Since I love Akame ga Kill, I think this would be a good development to this series, but HIIIIGHLY unlikely, knowing Akamatsu.
2. Each Akame ga Kill chapter has much more pages than the UQ Holder ones, so it’s only natural that there is more room for development there. But make no mistake, AgK! is WAY better than Holder in my point of view(Wave ftw!).
Oh god…I knew that someone would try to pull the “stop generalizing!” rant when I made that post hence why I said the word MAJORITY many times because you simply can’t judge each and every person but you can always see things in a bigger picture. Hence why I said the word majority repeatedly in order to be safe in case someone tried to pull that one out. Generalizing still applies if you point things out on the majority not the minority. So if you feel offended that’s not my concern since I’m not talking about someone like you or someone like Seimei who happens to enjoy both genres.
You play Visual Novels? Good for you. You’re already an exception to the rule since you have acquired taste for both but you can’t say the same thing for the intended target audience for Nekketsu which are mostly kids and teenager and that’s a fact. You would be lying if you say Nekketsu’s target audience isn’t that kind of demographic since it’s already a combination of every generic cliche in Shounen and we all know what Shounen stands for sure there are mature people who still reads it but it’s still mostly for kids and teens. If the core audience for Nekketsu isn’t like that then Fairy Tail and Bleach wouldn’t even survive.
If you even bother reading my conversation with Seimei I’m merely pointing out that it’s blatant double standards that he critsize the harem aspect despite the fact that some people enjoy it especially the original fans of Akamatsu so it’s certainly does not include someone like you. I for one don’t like half of the girls in Negi’s class especially the irrelevant and underdeveloped ones. But saying that you have to respect and follow the codes of Nekketsu and accept UQ Holder for being Nekketsu while denying core elements of Negima as a harem is double standards. Hence why I also pointed out that cliche harem and cliche shoujo are bound to be critisized like how UQ Holder is being also being critisized by the older Negima fans for being purely Nekketsu. That’s why a lot of Negima fans who aren’t fans of pure Nekketsu completely felt out of place reading UQ Holder.
Do I even have to know most Nekketsu fans in the world to make that statement? That’s like saying do I even have to know most Fujoshi in the world if I make a statement on the typical prefered taste of a Fujoshi? You are asking me something that merely needs common sense. If most Nekketsu fans are like you then there would more series intended for Nekketsu fans that has plot similarities to the ones you’ve listed and it would have equal amount of popularity but we all know that’s not the case and everything would be unique then the concept of Nekketsu itself would disappear but we all know kids and teens has a preference for series that has the characteristics of Nekketsu hence why it always remains popular to them because it already has a fixed set of audience and mainstream appeal.
Generalizing what? That thing was based on a freaking survey so of course I would generalize them based on majority’s opinion.
Yeah I agree that Akamatsu doesn’t have the balls to pull off something like that especially if Kirie is around but who knows? Maybe this manga will turn darker after around a hundred chapters but I heavily despise the idea of a Tournament arcs unless it became something unique like in Hitsugi no Chaika where there is a tournament but instead of joining the tournament itself they used that opportunity to sneak into the arena and steal whatever they have to steal which is related to their core objective and not simply to showcase fights.
then:
1. I am not convinced about the fact that the Nekketsu is not a type of manga. There is no reference on the English web but it certainly is not a proof of what you advance. I think qu’l would have had to search the Japanese web, something far too tedious I agree.
2. By cons where I’ll meet you is precisely that, I like myself Akame ga kill for his dark world and the fact that the fighting is ruthless. And like you, I hope to see UQ Holder take this route in the future. I would even say that was likely. After all, I do not think we Akamatsu rehearsals since the beginning of the manga, “the immortals are not invincible” for nothing. I just said that if UQ Holder remained a classic Nekketsu it does not trouble me. I’d rather he follow the example of AGK however it is true.
3. It seemed nevertheless be clear: I have NOTHING against the harem genre in itself. I repeat myself but I appreciate Highschool DXD, Freezing and have recently eaten the anime “Madan No. O Vanadis.” I will repeat what I said and specify: I thought the harem of Negima implausible or even unhealthy somehow.
I mean, a professor of 10 years old surrounded by 33 schoolgirls? Of which nearly half are in love with him! Seriously?
If the harem Negi had consisted of 4 or 5 girls (that’s why I would have liked even a mixed class, not for not having a harem, but that the harem is of a reasonable proportion), and if Negi had 14-15 years and 3-A 16-17 years, and if the action had started rather (as in DxD case for example) would have MUCH LESS embarrassed me. So no, I’m not at all unhappy with the 3-A disappeared from circulation except for a few of them.
But this is only my personal opinion I have always said, not an absolut truth.
4. But I am perfectly aware that most Nekketsu readers are pimply teenagers (but is entirely their right to have what they want and neither you nor me, have the right to challenge it.). I just wanted to prove to you that they were not the only ones who love the Nekketsu and that some readers could try to analyze them with the same attention to detail as light-novels. I know, I am one since I love both genres. ^^
5. Again you preach to the converted, I find it unfortunate that Akamatsu has rennoncé the lexicon because of the difficulty in understanding of part of the readership.
6. I have not said that Nekketsu was not a good type of manga. I just said he could not please everyone and that if they did not like UQ Holder or Nekketsu in general, complain is useless, would be no more and is to have few considerations fore those who appreciate this kind and show precisely the same selfishness which you accuse me falsely.
Foe the Ragna’s case, it turns out that we had just a misunderstandinghim and me. Misunderstanding that was resolved since. ^^
And I chord with you, I TOTALLY support the idea of a Nekketsu addressing deeper themes, issues and subjevts and like Akame ga kill, simply, you can not say that Nekketsu who would not do that it’s a bad manga.
A serious Nekketsu is better yes (and I hope UQ Holder follow this path I repeat). But a classic Nekketsu will not be necessarly bad. A bad Nekketsu I have one example for the time in my long career manga-fan: Fairy Tail. Why? Because it fails on all counts. Not only, his script is ULTRA simplistic (which is not necessarily a problem for a Nekketsu) but mostly because he fails even to respect the codes of Nekketsu:
a) the power scale must be certainly increasing steadily but clear and controlled, quantifiable: But Fairy-tail characters become stronger or weaker random manner without NO reason since the Tenro arc.
b) The rules governing its own universe must be respected and victories even with powe-up surprise, should be presented in logical and credible way: Result? A dragon-slayer can not eat the element of a god-slayer? Regardless, Natsu gets there! The twin dragons using Dragon-force? Natsu beat the dragon WITHOUT Dragon-force (or even the electric-fire mode would have been a perfect substitute) and ALONE!
c) Always show the logic behind a power-up: just a name “Erza” (which surpasses Azuma on the Tenro island thanks to the “Power of Friendship” (literally!), or even, who arrives to fight a demon (kyoka) by being deprived of his five senses. BUT OF COURSE! lol
And after that some peaple dare say that Tota wins with illogical miracles powers-up? lol ! IT’S WRONG! For him, there was always far detectable logic, even for magia-erebea.
And besides from the Fate arc, he has not succeeded much (he even made totally humiliated by Sayoko ^^). And the next arc seems to open the way for a training from him. So we can no longer claim that his power-ups come out of nowhere (which anyway was not the case in my opinion ^^).
7. On the future tournament arc, I allow myself to quote what I said this morning to Astro “Personally 100% tournament arc Does not bother me if is true That Even If It Was to last 50. chapters, damn it Better Be Taking as not to bore even someone like me.
I think we’ll Both agreements to say que la ideal Would Be parallel to the tournament, There Is a block (for example, an investigation of UQ Holder about one or more participants who have secrets projetcs (men of tthe life-maker (or matter who or what is the main antagonnist of these manga) for example).
It Could Be also a opportunity to Introduce the brothers of Kuromaru (I want to know more about ’em, ALTHOUGH I Know That From The Beginning I will want to punch Their dirty mouths unworthy brothers and crazy fanatics Who Would Nagumo Almost pass for a model of tolerance lol. “(yes, I tried to correct my many grammar mistakes this morning lol)
And I would remind you, my friend, that is the arc of mahora Budokai has allowed many of the cast of Negima, not only to get their pedigree as fighters and have their own moment of glory (even in defeat (ku-fei vs Mana or Kaede vs Albireo for exempleg ^^) BUT ALSO to see their personalities begin to mature precisely.
It could be that the same is true for the future tournament UQ Holder
I chord with you than make a tournament TO tournament would be a little too easy, but it does bore me either.
However I do not see how a tournaments arc prevent us from seeing the great war between Mars and Earth (as it will be, it will have a context, consequences and lasting less than that in the world of Chao BUT it will take place anyway^^).
I mean, we are in 2086, the war began in 2100, there has a lot of time right? lol ^^
In any case, there has always been only two possibilities for me and this since the beginning of UQ:
a) UQ Holder will end at the beginning of the war (which means that the story would be spread over 20 years, which opens the door to a LOT of timeskip justifying the immortality of protagonnistes.
b) The war is included in UQ Holder and manga ends at the end of the war (with the defeat of the life-maker?). This opens the door to MORE of timeskip lol.
All that to say: whys choose between a tournament and a big space epic magical war? We can have both! lol
8. About Mana and well. Yes, I think she speaks of her Mazoku forme but me it does not shock me to the contrary. On the one hand, because YES is a code Neketsu (“the power scale must be certainly increasing steadily but clear and controlled, and quantifiable” regardless of size, even if in the end we can destroy entire galaxies, as was quantified and controlled (with specific numbers and tags as markers (classes D, C, B, A, AA, AAA, S, SS, SSS (the Rakan scale edited^^) for exemple), it is no problem).
But even without that, the fact that Negi remained in his level he had at the end of Negima until 2065 is absurd, he must win power and experience. It makes sense. Moreover magia-erebea has already shown in Negima it had a limitless potential. With a continual training Negi’s certainly perfected and developed this technique over the last 60 years, Fate has become much stronger, Negi why not?. ^^
PS: No I am a unique individual, I just sometimes struggle to understand what I mean without it happening to often mistaken for the mépri. Even when I speak in my language, then imagine yourself in another language using google trad lol.
Oooh, now that you mention it, you DID say the majority at some point, not all of them. ROFL Sorry about that, man, my bad. Still, you can talk based on a survey, but I’m pretty sure there are a lot of fans out there who never got near one of them. Well, now that you pointed out that you were NOT talking about all the fans, I don’t have anything else to say. Maybe apologize, because I misunderstood your comment to some degree. X)
Seimei, with all that wall of text you posted you still failed to address the issue I have with you and that is the fact that you use Nekketsu to defend UQ Holder from criticism.
No reference in English web? Then why don’t you prove to me that it has any reference in the Japanese web because burden of proof is on to you since you’re the one who is making the claim with the whole Nekketsu thing.
The thing is for UQ Holder it still choses to be a Nekketsu for purely convenience of being a Nekketsu. In Akame ga Kill it decided to go in the darker route pretty early in the series. Something UQ Holder failed to do and on top of that we are going to have another tournament arc which is another repetitive Nekketsu formula. You can try to defend it all you want but if you want this manga to stand out and break the boundaries then the cast could have their development in their fighting abilities in more creative manner. Like you know? Making the plot progress as they grew stronger without it having it to fall on a cliche like entering tournaments?
Wait so now you are backpedaling now that I called you out for disliking the harem concept? Or are you simply cherry picking on what you think what a harem should be? And now you’re trying to impose your moral standards on what is right and what is wrong? You see Negi being a 10 year old and being younger than his harem is actually a unique concept which defies the usual cliche of the harem genre. Why do you think there is suppose to be limitation on the amount of characters a harem have? You keep digging your own grave because that’s simply the same as saying Nekketsu should follow these set of rules. One more thing you do realize Ken Akamatsu himself is against the idea of banning lolicon and shotacon as it is not reasonable to compare it to real life situation. Fiction will always be fiction unless you want to ban fictional series that includes murder as well. You are saying that is your opinion and yet you criticize the opinion of people who dislike UQ Holder for being too much of a generic shounen hence Nekketsu but you’re saying your opinion is only your personal opinion? If you are going to voice out that kind of thought on a public discussion then expect people to criticize your opinion especially if you criticize other people’s negative opinion in the first place.
Way to miss the point. As I said repeatedly I’m refering to the majority of the intended target audience for Nekketsu so your personal preference is irrelevant.
While it is the right of the kids and teens to get what they want aka Nekketsu it is also the right of the original Negima readers who also like romance, comedy, slice of life, moe, and harem to get what they want. After all the original Negima readers are the first core audience and those Nekketsu fans that you speak of only represents the newer fans that only picked Negima up because of the attention Negi vs. Rakan fight gained. So the original fanbase do have the right to question Akamatsu’s decision as to why they are completely left out especially in the case of UQ Holder. No matter how you try to twist facts the thing is as long as Negima’s ending is incomplete the original Negima fans are forced to read UQ Holder to find out the missing information that Negima left and especially who Negi ended up with or how his father was rescued. As fan of Negima they have the right to do that and they have the right to criticize and voiced out their opinion on why they dislike UQ Holder compared to Negima and the most obvious reason is that UQ Holder follows purely the Nekketsu format that only satisfies it’s respective fanbase but not the original fans that also manage to make Negima enjoyable to people who like romance, comedy, slice of life, moe, and harem. If Negima had a conclusive and satisfying ending and Akamatsu made UQ Holder after everything in Negima was resolved and it was a stand alone manga then the original fans of Negima would not have the right to critisize UQ Holder at this point as they are free to drop UQ Holder. Now do you see the difference? Also don’t try to bring up other series with bad endings as you are only comparing a bad thing to another bad thing it doesn’t help your argument.
Now you see what makes Negima different to your average Nekketsu? It adds the elements of harem and slice of life. Something a series like Date A Live, Zero no Tsukaima, or Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance does similarly. To make it simple the elements of Nekketsu and Harem is perfectly balanced so both Shounen and Seinen fans can enjoy the series. Unlike in UQ Holder which is incredibly one-sided. Another thing is that the dialogue in Negima is perfectly well-balanced to the point that you see characters making sideline jokes. The interaction between Harem archetypes and Nekketsu archetypes characters is something you will not find in your average Nekketsu. That’s why a lot of original Negima fans are disappointed with UQ Holder’s lack of lighthearted characters example of these are Chamo, Chachazero, Asuna, Yue, Haruna, Nodoka, Makie, Ayaka, Sayo, Yuna, Ku Fei, Konoka, Chisame and many others and combine their dialogue to much darker characters like Negi, Eva, Fate, Rakan, Kotaro, Setsuna, Mana, Kaede, Chao, Chachamaru, Albireo, Godel, Dynamis, etc. Something you will not be able to see in UQ Holder’s limited set of cast. You know another bad thing most Nekketsu does? It’s how badly the female characters gets overshadowed by male characters. This is something DBZ, YYH, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, HxH and most especially Toriko does to it’s female cast where female characters rarely ever gets the chance to shine unlike in Negima. In UQ Holder you could see how rarely Eva makes an appearance, how Karin always gets off-paneled, and how Kirie is treated as a plot device.
Are you trying to take back your words? Here is what you said “But do not read of Nekketsu it’s not the good kind of manga! ^^”. You even pointed out several series that are vastly superior to Nekketsu so in other words by pointing out those series you admit that Nekketsu is inferior in terms of overall quality compared to the list of series that you mentioned.
Like I said and like you said. Nekketsu is bad if a certain series tries to be a Nekketsu purely for convenience and that’s exactly what UQ Holder does at this point especially the whole “When he is about to lose or die, the hero becomes stronger than ever, thanks to his will, and his desire to win and protect others”, “Honesty, justice, group spirit, friendship, and dedication to the public interest, the desire to win are the main values transmitted by the hero, the protagonist of Nekketsu”, “His first opponents usually become his most faithful companions” and lately “They participate in a tournament or something similar”. Truly lack of originality is what I see on this.
Yes, Fairy Tail is bad and saying it repeatedly is like beating a dead horse but you know the point is UQ Holder could have been better. UQ Holder could at least has been similar to Magi or Shaman King where the MC isn’t a generic shounen archetype. So don’t wait for UQ Holder to sink into Fairy Tail’s level.
Like I said before there are better ways for UQ Holder cast to develop their fighting capabilities and personalities other than tournaments for example making the plot actually progress or an even more creative story or an adventure at the same time.
Except that the Mahora tournament is another bad example of yours. In the case of Mahora tournament Negima was a harem manga with slice of life elements and the Mahora tournament is a way for it to introduce the genre shift from Harem to Nekketsu hence that was the actual twist and that is what makes it unique. In UQ Holder’s case it’s already a series that has multiple Shounen tropes than can describe a typical Nekketsu series and adding a tournment arc just proves it’s losing it’s originality. Yes, it doesn’t prevent us from seeing the war between Mars and Earth but it would drag the manga’s pacing into a certain degree and you know Touta and friends could have been exploring the world instead of entering a tournament. In any case it would be like Sayoko’s arc where it adds nothing to the plot.
Oh here you go again with your Nekketsu logic. So you actually think Mana is refering to Negi being 100 times stronger than her in her Mazoku form and you think that is justifiable just because it’s a code of Nekketsu? Wow. Sorry but that’s just plain stupid and this just proves that Dargor and OverMaster was right all along. Are you trying to say that Mana didn’t get any power growth in those 80 years? Is that what you are saying? Because of code of Nekketsu that side characters powers remain stagnant and is completely overshadowed by the MC? Is this what you want Touta and UQ Holder to become? I’m not saying that Negi have to remain in his level by the end of Negima and compare it to 2065. What I have problems here is how ridiculously Mana got overshadowed and that probably applies to other 3-A/Ala Alba fighters like Asuna, Setsuna, Kaede, Kotaro, Ku Fei, Zazie, and Chachamaru. Think about it the gap is so huge and ridiculous and the only excuse you can give me is code of Nekketsu and yes Fate become stronger but do you honestly think Fate has shown remotely anything that would indicate that he became 100 times stronger than Negi by the end of Negima? Especially how he struggled against a weakened Eva.
Before you write another wall of text please try to reread the very first sentence I wrote so you would not try to dodge the issue I have with you. As long as you continue to use Nekketsu as an excuse to defend UQ Holder’s flaws and as long as you continue to criticize the harem aspects of Negima then I will continue to criticize you and your opinion.
Well, with Negi, at least he was always in training, even when it came to learning Magia Erebea. Negi picked things up fairly quickly, but he was constantly training. With Touta, he’s only just begun to show a real interest in training. Otherwise, Touta sees something, then masters it rather quickly (more so if someone shows him the steps).
I wasn’t speaking of absurdity. I was speaking of my lack of desire to see any kind of martial arts tournament.
I really enjoyed the Mahora tournament in Negima so I’m looking forward to this. I guess it won’t be long before we go to the top of the tower.
After that we’ll probably go to the Magic World, visit wherever Kuroumaru is from.
Also , I wonder who the Headmaster is.
I had no problem with the Mahora Budokai. The tournament on Mundus Magicus was OK because it was more of a side thing until Negi fought Jack. But I’ve had my fill of tournaments. That’s just me though.
“though it gives Touta an opportunity to master a bunch of styles in a short frame of time.”
While everyone else who doesn’t have the plot device gift to master things almost instantly and instead has to work hard for them over time will get left in the dust. Yi-ppeee.
Also, if Mana is the Vice Headmaster, and she’s an old teammate of Eva (in the Negi-led team that hunted for the Lifemaker, remember), then why didn’t they go to her BEFORE starting the investigation job, like all logic would dictate? Argh, this series, always placing the carriage before the horses!
Yeah, that’s a very good question. The only answer I could give is that Eva didn’t know Mana had the job (since Eva only recently came out of what was essentially hiding).
Ooh a tournament sounds like fun.
Maybe Albireo Imma pops up again as Colonel Sanders lol.
I’m wondering if Al is dead, based on the condition of his old underground fortress.
Oh Oh! Do not talk too fast my friend! It’s Albireo imma we speak it? I rather think that Albireo moved its base elsewhere. I want proof that according Jinbei, this fortress is abendonnée deouis 30 years, gold, Albireo was there 10 years later in 2065 to combat life-maker.
Besides a amusente theory just to me. And if the base UQ (and winery where is the landmark Al) was actually … the island library Mahora?
I said that because Shin-Tokyo IS the city of Mahora and base UQ is on an island a few kilometers away. As the island library!
By cons I wonder if Albireo was not the host of life-maker in 2050. I think that because Jinbei speaks of a dark wizard. Now, I want the goods we know nothing of the past Albireo but I don’t see him practicing black magic (well you will tell me Eva and Negi are technically black mages is true … ^^ )
I’m just saying that it is possible that Al was killed or has returned to Mundus Magicus.
So, let me get this straight. The crazed omnicidal ghost chick managed to slip under the nose of our demon hunter extraordinaire for years while committing all sorts of lovely murders in a long period of time. Even trying to hand wave the issue in that she travels a lot falls apart when you probably shouldn’t make someone who’s never around something like a vice-headmaster makes no sense. She’d literally need to be gone decades on end for that little issue to work, and even then, somehow miraculously stay completely ignorant in a city of gossipy teenagers while no one in any position of power deigned to ask the demon hunter for assistance.
Is Akamatsu trying to write potholes now for giggles?
And I’d rather skip the tournament arc please. I was disappointed enough that what could have been a cool adventure in MM boil down to another tournament after the last arc dealt with one. Akamatsu, for the love of all that is holy, just set up that whole “world in upheaval” thing you’ve mentioned before this series began.
*It makes no sense
1.
a) I will not challenge the part of your comment regarding the lack of Mana reaction during the Z-Day for FOR ONCE (and it does not happen again-probably not before long ^^) I totally agreements with you. The worst thing is that as she does not remember, it is likely that one is never explained. However, it is not impossible that give us an acceptable justification thereafter.
b) Secondly, we must remain cautious because according Chaosprophet, if I believe “kiba”, one of my friends, the reliability of the spoil would be questionable, it could be a fake. It’s true that it’s Friday so that in general the spoils out between Saturday and Monday.
2. However, in terms of the tournament (if this part of the spoil is confirmed) I do not see where the problem is. You were complaining you (Astro and others) that Tota trops progressed quickly and without training? (this is my false sense but hey, that’s not the subject), and that says precisely tournament says intensive training.
As against the last part of your comment, excuse me in advance but I find that is pure hypocrisy, “Akamatsu, for the love of All That is holy, just set Up That whole” world in upheaval “thing you’ve Mentioned Before This series Began. “.
LOOL! Was not you, who pitied thee “SOO BORING and supposedly without interest global threats”?
Now that Akamatsu seems at least for a little moment wanting to reduce the pressure, you criticize that? (unless I misunderstood your sentence and that “xorld in upheaval” means something else, of course, it’s possible) you complain AGAIN!
You need to know what you want!
I’ve long given up on Touta being built in a remotely interesting or nuanced manner, so no, that’s not why I’m against another tournament arc. I’m just burnt out on the trope as it stands. Its something that’s been done a thousand times and was already beaten to death in Negima itself. Its a convenient vehicle to show off fights and all that, but there’s more interesting ground to explore. At best, its a convenient reason to go to the top of the tower, and maybe we’ll see Shinobo. That’s about it really.
As for your third point, if an author keeps using “The whole world is at stake(!)” button over, and over, it loses its novelty fast. I think necromancy in the Akamatsu-verse could have been cool, but it was over the top to the point where one would wonder if it wasn’t a self-aware parody of itself.
That’s me and I haven’t seen that many. My first tournament was in the anime Yu Yu Hakusho, where it was incredibly long. That was enough for me, but then I got another one in the first Hayate the Combat Butler anime (which thankfully wasn’t part of the manga). By the time Negima came around with the Mahora Budokai, I didn’t mind it so much, but after it was over, I’d had my fill of tournaments. I was glad that the tournament on Mundus Magicus was mostly treated as a side event.
Speaking of the tournament yuyu hakusho was personally one of my favorite arcs of mang, no, was my favorite.
I loved the idea of the “team tournament.” The fights are individual but is the sum of a winning team that allows the qualifications.
This allowed both leading single combat while giving a sense of team spirit and empower members.
I said this because I love the future tournament UQ Holder works like this. In addition it would allow all “numbers” to have their moment of glory.
The first time I saw a tournament, it was OK, but by the end, I was pretty tired of it because other than the characters getting stronger or having to use more of their powers, there was no story to speak of.
I do think that this tournament is an excuse to go to the top of the Tower. Because I have to say I’m damn tired of this debt to be paid is not it? I want to see what happened to the space 80 years after Negima.
When the zombie invasion not only there were a foreshadowing when Eva brefing at the beginning of the arc but also it is quite clear that had indeed a parody (or at least a reference) rather fun to zombies movies. ^^
Apparently. Then again, Sayo was undetected by Mana for a long time until Sayo made herself known. I suspect that Mana only recently took the job at Mahora and thus was not involved in the earlier incidents.
“I suspect that Mana only recently took the job at Mahora and thus was not involved in the earlier incidents.”
I had not thought myself an ardent defender of UQ lool!
Astro Bingo, it is true that nothing indicates that Mana is Deputy Director for many years. If anything it’s only 8 years, 2 years, 1 year, or maybe even 6 months …
Hopefully, we’ll find out how long she’s been there. I tend to suspect this element will be swept under the rug.
Hm. Mana vs. Touta for the championship match. Touta gets pwned by Mana’s coin-tossing techniques for the start. Ends with both of them going demon mode. Could be interesting. I wonder if other Ala Alba members will be surprise entrants.
With Mana showing up, I’d say there’s a good chance to see the other immortal, former members of Ala Alba.
So if we’re talking only immortal members of Ala Alba, that only leaves Zazie and Chachamaru as possible surprise entrants. I would love to see Chachamaru show up, she was one of my favorite characters in Negima.
I’d love to see Chachamaru as well, but I wonder if we will see her or not.
Because of her appearance in that flashback in ch 24 and the whole immortal theme of this manga, i think there’s a good chance she will pop up sooner or later. Both Fate and Mana have shown up already so it’s very likely.
Well, I’d love to see her. I don’t trust Akamatsu-sensei to bring her back, but I hope he does.
100 times stronger? Even though Negi was the main character, and worked very hard to gain this power, how the hell did he get that much more powerful? i guess training.
And he still couldn’t defeat the Lifemaker? This just asks the question of how powerful was that bastard, and what if Negi did turn into the Lifemaker.
so…thought time..
Magia Erebea as well. Negi mastered and perfected it.
I’m still not convinced that the Lifemaker just possesses people, but that’s just me. I’m probably wrong though.
I have always believed that the life-maker has never had sérieu face Nagi and has purposely lose.
This seems to confirm Mana indicated as Negi is visibly barely managed to seal or put to flight in 2065 at the cost of his own freedom.
I can not wait that lifemaker appear at yes I REALLY can not wait! ^^
He’s true power is to be probably phenomenal hehehe
Assuming Akamatsu-sensei doesn’t just abandon UQ Holder like he did Negima, I think it will be a long time before we see MotB, other than maybe a mention or a brief flashback cameo.
If Negi is a hundred times stronger than Mana, I seriously can’t stand the fact that Touta could even scratch FATE, of all people, playing around or not. But oh well…
As for the chapter and the story, fine by me. I actually enjoy tournament arcs, and if this is the beginning of a new one… I have some hopes for it, ESPECIALLY because it’s at the top of the Tower. As for the matter with Sayoko and Mana, I’m going to use the “MST3k Mantra” and forget about it.
Regarding the tournament… We might get to see some of Fate’s subordinates again or even the man himself. Now I don’t know if they will enter the battle or if they will be just watching, but I think there are good chances that one or two of them will be amidst the combatants. You might say that “I’m just here for Godzilla”, but hey, one can dream.
And, this might be a good chance to see the other characters getting more time in the spotlight. I mean, Touta can’t possibly participate in all the matches at once, he WILL have to step aside and let the others fight as well.
As a person who likes Kuroumaru, I want to see how far he can go. We might be introduced to some more characters too(and some cannon fodder, of course), and… Yes, I like the way this is going. Seriously.
I feel exactly the same as you for the tournament. Whether it’s a “team event” (at uyu hakusho-like) or a conventional tournament this will highlight other characters. Besides was during that tournament mahora queques members 3A I liked (and you, too ^^), Kaede, Ku-fei, Setsuna and Mana have obtained their pedigree and charisma earned. This will surely be the case here too. So yes, we share the same feeling my friend.
Regarding Fate, I want to remind that at the beginning of the arc-mundus magicus, Negi managed to hit Fate face (with its active barrier!), Yet their level of force had an overwhelming difference!
So yes, even if Fate is a level equal to Negi, if he voluntarily reduces its power to get at Tota, to play, it fits perfectly. Besides, it only confirms the thesis I defended since the arc Fate. Tota was NOT made equal of Fate! Fate fought “with one hand,” he has NEVER fought seriously …
Yeah, but they implied that Fate went trough a MASSIVE power up during these years, and as everyone knows, he does not need training, he just downloads, upgrades and masters things instantly like a computer program, pc or something (which is awesome and justified because he is a construct created by the MotB himself and used to be the Big Bad of Negima). But Tou… You know what, I won’t even talk about him again.
What I’m trying to say here is that Touta had WAY less trouble with some attacks and defenses than experienced fighters struggled against in Negima. One of the examples is the sand barrier: Back in the day, Tsukuyomi normal attacks did not go trough that, she used Zanmaken Ni No Tachi to strike him. Touta went and LITERALLY said “Whatever” going trough it in a single strike.
As for Negi hitting Fate twice(again, he was weaker at that time than he currently is): The first time, Asuna got rid of his barriers with her Magic Cancel, only then Negi was able to hit him.
The second time, it was a surprise attack and Fate was pretty much unfazed after the hit: Negi didn’t break his barriers, Seimei. Do you remember when Kamo said that as long as the barriers are there, even if the mage is hit, the impact wouldn’t cause as many damage as it should? Negi’s punch didn’t even leave a mark on Fate. On the other hand, when he punched Negi back, the guy was thrown to the ground like trash. So yeah.
Saying that Negi could hit Fate does not justify Touta being able to do the same by himself, because in both times, Negi only managed to do so with help from others, while Touta was fighting alone.
I do agree with you on the point that Fate was playing around A LOT, though. It may have been like one of those times when you’re playing a fighting game against a friend who just started and you allow them to hit you once or twice, maybe even win one round before pwning them. It’s the only explanation to me.
*”What I’m trying to say here is that Touta had WAY less trouble with some attacks and defenses than experienced fighters struggled against in Negima.
Correction:
“What I’m trying to say here is that Touta had WAY less trouble with some attacks and defenses that made experienced fighters struggle, in Negima.”
I apologize in advance for the bad english.
“I do agree with you on the point that Fate was playing around A LOT, though. It may have been like one of those times when you’re playing a fighting game against a friend who just started and you allow them to hit you once or twice, maybe even win one round before pwning them. It’s the only explanation to me.”
But it is precisely EXACTLY what happened I am convinced that Fate has deliberately reduced its offensive AND defensive power (the sand barrier mentioned by you). We can see that since not only Fate shows no signs of worry when fighting (no, better smiles! ^^), But from the time or Fate gets serious Tota not even manage to see his moves! ^ ^
Is why the “power panel” is imported in Nekketsu Ragna. They allow us to see if a character was serious in fight or not.
Mana claiming that Negi is 100 times stronger than she allows us to deduce that was also the case of Fate, as it claims to be the rival of Negi.
Besides, I am not convinced that he had “upgraded”, precisely because it was presented in Negima as the most “human” of “super golems” the life-maker. He never needed training BEFORE meet Negi. And in the end he even manages to exceed Quintum (what Quintum itself is shocking that matter), showing that he has exceeded its status of “Golem”. I think instead that it is trained with Negi.
Conclusion Fate power level must reach a staggering number!
This completely undermines the exploits of Tota against him (apart from the destruction of the mandala before their duel, but good. I think if someone was swinging a rock 500 tons (the weight of gravity blade at the time), even reinforced steel door (or whatever the alloy) of a bunker would not resist lol, by the way, yes I remember the operation of barriers ^^) and it works! Fate gave false hope to Tota during their fight before crashing him like a bug hehehe.^^
As the cat suggesting that the mouse has a chence to get out alive, before jumping and devoured all believed hehehe.
And about Mana tend to confirm this.
Assuming it is an open tournament, I suppose so, but I tend to doubt it.
True, but he can be on the sidelines and observe, as Negi did.
LOL, your comment made me imagine the manga focusing more on Touta talking about the battle than on the battle itself, and before we know the match has been decided ant they are announcing who is the victor. xD Oh, god… I hope someone knocks him unconscious before it happens! *crosses fingers*
That isn’t out of the realm of possibilities as I see it. 😉
Also, I don’t usually complain about an arc before it has even properly started. o__O
*lol* For me, the word “tournament” set off the yellow alert alarm.
“The first time I saw a tournament, it was OK, but by the end, I was pretty tired of it because other than the characters getting stronger or having to use more of their powers, there was no story to speak of.”
Personally a 100% tournament arc does not bother me. Even if is true that if it was to last 50 chapters, it better be damn taking as not to bore even someone like me. not to bore even someone like me.
I think we’ll both agreements to say that the ideal would be parallel to the tournament, there is a plot (eg survey UQ Holder knew one or more participants that prove ladles (men the life-maker (or matter antagonniste main manga) for example).
It could be also an opportunity to introduce the brothers Kuromaru (I want to know more, although I know that from the beginning I have wanted to punch their dirty mouths unworthy brothers and crazy fanatics who would Nagumo almost pass for a model of tolerance lol.
Speaking of Nagumo and his men they could also participate in the tournament.
Anyway, the tournament will probably take place in the next arc or the one after that, not this one. ^^
I don’t see this happening either, mainly because I don’t see them as caring about some human tournament. Also, Akamatsu-sensei seems to be more loathe than normal (save for Santa/Sayoko) to reveal background info on characters. After all, the more info that’s revealed, the more restrictions it puts on what you can do with a character.
Since Nagumo’s crew are all professional mercenaries, I highly doubt they’d waste time on a tournament when there are jobs to do.
1. I’m not so certain. On the one hand because if this place tournament at the top of the tower it means he is probably open to the entire solar system, including Earth, but of course also in March, Inverse-Mars (mundus magicus , which are precisely the brothers of kuro ^^) and any other place to live (spatial bases?). Therefore I do not see why they would not go (I do not say they will be there, I told that nothing prevents to go and participate ^^).
Other hand we know that Tota was born there 4 years. Gold was at this time that black magic experiments were conducted on Kuro to make it immortal.
I do not think that will be a coincidence, they may have even served in cobays in the same scientific and magical secret laboratory at the same time. In other words, explore the past kuromaru is probably necessary to explore the Tota and vice versa.
2. cons for Nagumo and his men, was true that their work should be left to mercenaries can free time. But it seems to me that at the Granicus tournament there were mercenaries among participants not?
Or maybe if they do not participate, Fate could engage to ensure safety? (whatever the Ala-alba could be responsible but good after all. That Fate the boss, he will decide … lool)
oops, I wanted say : “”Personally 100% tournament arc Does not bother me if is true That Even If It Was to last 50. chapters, damn it Better Be Taking as not to bore even someone like me.
I think we’ll Both agreements to say que la ideal Would Be parallel to the tournament, There Is a block (for example, an investigation of UQ Holder about one or more participants who have secrets projetcs (men of tthe life-maker (or matter who or what is the main antagonnist of these manga) for example).
It Could Be also a opportunity to Introduce the brothers of Kuromaru (I want to know more about ’em, ALTHOUGH I Know That From The Beginning I will want to punch Their dirty mouths unworthy brothers and crazy fanatics Who Would Nagumo Almost pass for a model of tolerance lol. “(yes, I tried to correct my many grammar mistakes this morning lol)
Hahaha, I understand. xD I’ll just wait to see how things turn out.
That or she thought Mana would object to UQ’s planned operation. Which, IIRC, included keeping the option on the table to recruit into UQ’s ranks what was thought at the time to be an immortal who’d been murdering people for 80 years.
That’s an interesting thought. I doubt Mana’s being there gets explored, and I say the odds are low that Mana and Eva will reunite (though I really hope I’m wrong about that).
Mana is a deputy headmaster? I get the feeling Akamatsu-sensei just decided to introduce her in this arc on a whim. :p
If Touta’s going to participate in that tournament, then I expect to see some kind of training sub-arc.
Quite possibly. I like Mana, so I don’t object.
That’s very possible. After all, Touta suddenly discovered a reason to seriously train.
Me neither, at least on “appearing” part. I wish to see her interacting with Kuroumaru.
Hopefully that’ll happen as well.
Astro : “With UQ Holder, it became clear fairly quickly that Akamatsu-sensei was going the Fairy Tail route — plot out story arc, but don’t worry about the big story other than vague hints as that element will be figured out later. As such, this negates a lot of speculation discussion and debate.”
Well in fact, I am totally opposite feeling.
I find instead that had Negima which had a screenplay building “fairy-tail-like” at least for the first 21 volumes. Find me a real connection between the arc Eva, Arc Kyoto and bow Mahora Budokai. There is virtually no. The role of Chao such lands as “fallen from heaven” with no foreshadowing. It is only from the mundus-magicus arc that the big story is established.
With UQ Holder, rather each elements already seem to overlap in a global scenario that I can easily perceive, without knowing it accurately. Exept the arc Sayako, it seems to have no connection with princpal history and “fall from the sky” but that could change with the bow as we begin now. ^^
Also Chapter 62 implicitly ended the introductory phase (when the numbers were represented again. Had a way of saying “now the story begins”).
About foreshadowing, the so-called “zombie invasion fell from the sky”, which has been so maligned here was prefigured … AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ARC! Read again the brifing Eva Astro-san, she talks about a possible invasion of zombies.
Well, we are just going to see things differently. For me, UQ Holder is a collection of unrelated stories that aren’t playing into a bigger story. With Negima, by the time volume 4 started, there was a clear path and that path was followed until Akamatsu-sensei shut everything down.
Yes, but for me it was from volume 21, no volume 4. The action begins in Volume 4 yes, but the big story emerges only at volume 21 for me.
Ragna : My friend! If I’d known you rejoin the verbal sparring in my cam, I would not have asked the trouble to write a comment VERY LONG writing painfully with Google trad lol. I am indeed agreements with EVERYTHING you said (except for Tota but hey, you know my views on this character, besides you also know that even if I defends this does not mean that I appreciate it.
In fact the only thing I really needed to answer was the fact that I am accused of hter harems. Certainly it is true that I like little manga 100% harems. However hybrid manga action / harem, I highly appreciate and I appreciate their female characters (ah Akeno-san, Satelizer, kugen Tenko-san! ^^).
As you rightly said the problem is not the harem genre, but the harem of Negima only. Ragna Seriously, am I misspoke? It does not seem to me to have written during the debates with Ranzuki that I basically hated harems on the contrary, since one of my favorite universe (DXD) is one. He clearly misunderstood me or was I who with my sometimes poor English wrote the opposite of what I thought? ^^
To continue on a happier note: am I the only one to pray for saiso 3 To aru majutsu no Index? Seriously WHY have they stopped the anime just before that I consider the best part of the light-novel? The war of succession in England and the 3rd world war … YES WHY?! lol
I have a policy of not getting too absorbed in these discussions, and for that reason I always try to finish them as soon as possible on my end (or make small/medium comments). That being said, I feel like I already said too much here, so I’ll give my impressions of the chapter in Astronerd’s review, later.
As for the thing with your english, I don’t think I’m the most suited person to answer you, since English is not my first language either – I’m pretty sure mine is far from perfect. All that I know about it, I learned by playing videogames when I was little. AND THEY ALWAYS TOLD ME THOSE DON’T TEACH YOU ANYTHING. Hah.
Ranzuki:
1. And I still have not solved the one I have with you. To know that everything I expressed by that one sentence is “originality was better ys, but the classic is not a problem.”
Also some people here (and you know who I mean) obviously confuse criticism and bashing. Criticism has to be able to see the qualities and défaults a manga, knowing that even the worst manga has qualities even Fairy-tail. When we can not find quality in a manga (according to criteria which varies with each person, was why I criticize or Dargor Overmaster when they seem to want to make their criteria of universal values ^^) we pass our way.
When you come complaining every week for everything about a manga, it was the bashing. And is what I blame them (you has also confirmed yourself that bored you too. you’re the same kind of people Ragna, I Think. You like UQ but it’s not your favorite manga.^^) complain once or twice, okay, but after the 350th time is not it time to change the disc or simply switch to something which would be better suited to the disappointed person?
2. Why can not I search on Japanese web? Because I do not understand kanji and even with google trad is hard to understand lol. You will notice that I’ve never asked to search the Japanese web.
3. “Every personal taste.” You do not like the tournaments? Okay. Me I appreciate them but I find that if indeed there is a subplot behind (one such investigation, as I have already said) to show that we are not there ONLY for the tournament is better now.
And I’ll have you noticed that the other ways to become stronger and develop their skills is training. That’s okay with me. Except that this is another “so eviiilll cliche” of Nekketsu. Is the snake biting its tail!
4. Wow, wow, wow! Calm down, as I was saying this is just my opinion okay? I repproches to nobody to like 3-A, I just ask not to criticize some to be happy no longer see them.
Other share was fun to want blame me “impose my standards” (when I say it was just an opinion) coming from someone who seems to decree that Nekketsu classic is necessarily bad and it must necessarily be original to be good. (and do not tell me I hijacked your words, it’s possible, I admit it you do the same with mine. I think we both do not understand and misinterpret the ideas of the other^^). I know an excellent critique of manga on Youtube “le chef otaku” who used to say “originality is not synonymous with quality.” (his videos are in French against).
Other hand Ragna did explain the real problem of the 3-A, maybe that basically has their antics I repproche them, even if their large number was wondering when is a problem. Anyway we are of the same opinion he and I, “good good riddance 3-A.” ^^
And you want to know something? I am myself against this stupid ban lolicon and Shotacon. I do not like this kind of characters and manga huh ? (except when their appearance is in contrast to their reall age. For example koneko in DxD despite appearances is 16 years old ^^) but want the interdict them in occident is TOTALLY stupid. Already because it does not mean that those who fantasize about these characters are future perverse psychopaths in power. But even better now! According to some studies it seems that they actually decreased the number of assaults on minors providing a substitute for real pervert. So yes, I share your point of view and the point of view of Akamatsu.
Besides I like the relationship “hikaru / Genji reversed” with a girl older than the boy (that have not for nothing that I like Princess Resurrection for example). Is just … No, I’m trying with all my strength a 10 year old teacher surrounded by 31 schoolgirls… it does not pass, sorry, I think the the age difference is anyway a little too big for me and the number of girls matter too, I can not help it being like this. But I think Ragna explained with much moin clumsy as me.
5. sujett old Negima fans complain about UQ that I’d rather leave Ragna answer this point, if he wishes, because if I made, my words will surely exceed STILL my thinking and I do not want to commit a blunder too. ^^
I’ll just say one thing: you proclaim the right of Negima fans complain of this okay. But as the right to Akamatsu to do what he has always wanted to make you done since the beginning of Negima, but his publisher has always denied “because the love-hina harem sold well?” ) You complain that the uneducated have teenager’s contrainy Akamatsu halt its lexicon AND YOU’RE RIGHT. But then why do not you complain of editorial pressure has suffered Akamatsu, while plans for Negima may have been very different? Is there no one advanced selfishness in this way of looking at things
Personaly, I am against ANY form of pressure on an author, whether that of the fans (both old fans Negima or uncultivated teenager’s who do not like the Latin and Greek lol) or publisher (I don’t like this aspect of the japanese edition systeme!).
So I congratulate Akamatsu to have been able to force the editor to close his mouth and FINALLY let him do it’ve always wanted. ^^
However, do not be so adamant about the lack of romance in UQ Holder. The latest developments show the emergence of a small harem around Tota (karin, kirie, kuromaru).
6. As for the treatment of female characters I’ve said but I am also disappointed by this. Simply, is it necessary to move from one extreme to the other? Must be 31 female characters to put women in the spotlight?
To aru majutsu no index/To aru kagaku no Railgun proved not!
When the treatment of female characters in UQ Holder :
Eva saved the group during the first two missions, you wanted maybe she finishes work every time? lol.
As for karin, I do not like his arrogant personality “miss I know everything” (seriously, some say Tota is arrogant? Lol!), I would have liked to cross the screen and give a slap to Karin after thatshet treated Tota, Ikku and kuro of incompetants following their defeat against Santa. She was not even there! Who does she take?
Ditto when she tried to exorcise Santa without any evidence that he was guilty. So yes I’m not sad to see her often humiliated. The day when she avoid lecturing the other without knowing, I will leke her. As for kirie, It is true BUT recent development (during Chapter baths) was proved that she is not only that a backup device. PATIENCE!
7. No, I maintain, I have not said that Nekketsu were bad manga (otherwise why should I read it?!). I just said that it was useless to repprocher a Nekketsu to be a Nekketsu. If some do not like the classic Nekketsu, they will go in search of something different instead that’s it. I eguality liked Death Nothe and Naruto, I’m struggling to establish a scale of preference over the manga I like. Other hand I repeat again that UQ Holder may evolve again. But hey, I speak below ^^
As I say, a Nekketsu is bad, not when it follows the plot of the Nekketsu but when it fails BOTH to be original AND to respect the codes of his genre. Was the case of Fairy-tail. Not only it is not original but it also does not even respect the genre codes (while believing to do!).
And who say UQ Holder would not become as Magi, Shaman-King (in fact I am surprised as you are put in the “original Nekketsu” from my point of view, it is standard (I precise that I like shaman-king^^): Resurrection at will , naive and idealistic hero (Yoh) converted former enemy to justice (Tao Ren) enemy overpowered (Hao) tournament (Shaman-fight) to the limit, the end is really original (the true end, not the Volume 32 end lol) but the scenario is classic in my memories) or, as Akame ga kill? Nobody!
Besides the start of Magi is itself also very classic. Is from the end of the arc Balbad and above the arc Magnostat it becomes matures. What corresponding at 9 or 10 volumes) and UQ is in Volume 6. PATIENCE!)
8. And I repeat myself but the tournaments could be only a pretext for another much darker and serious plot and not I have other examples Negima. Starting with Dragon Ball Z ironically. At the beginning of the arc Buu, Babidi servants infiltrate the tournament and the Z team investigating about these individuals (as well as Kaioh-shin) parallel to the tournament.
Another example. Naruto: During the Chuunin exam Orochimaru infiltrate Konoha. ALL the arc of the examain (and the tournament that follows) is only a pretext to introduce Orochimaru and establish his machinations.
In both cases, the tournament will also interrupted.
It could be the same in UQ Holder. It could be used to introduce the main antagonnste (or at least his organization) for example. Which would add much to the plot.
And I’m not against a world exploration arc this is the opposite in fact. I just say that a tournament does not bother me, especially if it there may be hidden intrigue elements behind this event hehehe.^^ Incidentally tournament also falls in the exploration of the world. What events bring together magician and warriors of the solar system, how they occur, why, what are the rules… It is also exploring a certain point of view.
But again, I think Ragna may be better express what I mean (If he wants of course ^^). Apart Tota, he and I seem to be in agreement on many things about Akamatsuvers. ^^
9. And then when I told that Mana had not progressed? Not distorted my words. Yes that Negi became stronger than in Negima because this manga is Nekketsu is indisputable. BUT one hand I have NEVER said that Mana had not progressed and secondly I also mentioned the special nature of the magia-erebea (which I remind, propelled Neg at a power of 300 to 10,000 in about two months … lol). Akamatsu just stay consistent with what has already been described in Negima, the fact that we are in a Nekketsu is not the only reason. If magia-erebea propelled Negi at Rakan level in two months, where do you think it propelled him in 60 years? (btw I would curious to know why Eva is weakening while having to keep the usage of magia-erebea hmm…).
No I do not WANT to see the secondary characters eclipsed by the MC. You wanna know how I imaagine the final battle? All numbers of UQ togater in a team-batlle vs the life-maker alone.
That’s what I want (like the final battle of Tales of Symphonia’s OAV I found a little too short but beautiful).
After it is possible that Akamatsu has made a wrong number and that Negi is only 10 times stronger than Mana (which would already be more conceivable, although the gap would remain huge). This is not the first time it happens it in UQ Holder (the date of the last meeting between Eva and Fate or the age of Sayako).
If its is all numbers will have a level equivalent to Negi in the end. However, if they are really eclipsed by Tota in the end, although I would find it is sad it’s true, but I will not be a drama or a tragedy with that^^.
ps: Oh so you repproches me to criticize the harem in Negima (that Ragna is also well better now than I also ^^) when I say that this is ONLY my opinion, but you find inadmissibe I object to your criticism of the genre Nekketsu when you present this as a truth? Are there no injustice here? lol^^
More seriously okay ? Just one thing: Nekketsu is a genre, like the harem, sport manga or thriller manga (like Death-Nothe.
Shonen, Seinen, Shojo ect. ARE NOT GENRE. This is age and gender classifications, you’ve said yourself, it means the targeted public. Shonen (boys), shojo (young girl), seinen (young adult seems i).
But love-Hina, Negima, UQ, Fairy-tail-Death Nothe, code geass, to aru majutsu index ALL have one thing in common: they are …. shonen! So for the same public priority, the tennagers !
So assimilated harems/nekkets as Negma or even a serious light-novel as To aru majutsu no index at seinens, manga for adults is WRONG. The harem is also a genre “for children and teenager” sorry to break your dreams about “light-novel = seinen = mature”
They do not cover you imagine mature public, therefore, criticize constantly the nekketsu’s priority public do not help the harem genre and the light-novel believe me ^^.
Moreover Death-Nothe and AKame ga kill, should not be classified as shonen but as the seinen. For death-Nothe still okay but I personally find AGK too shocking for a shonen, so to be read by adolesscents, I think. It’s like Hokuto no ken, its spin-offs are classified as “seinen” (we understand why lol!) But the original manga is classified … shonen! WTF?! lol
ps (2) “assault” = “aggression” I specify.
A simple typo on my translator who slightly modified the corresponding word in English.^^
PS (3) : Well, I just read the chapter (very good in my opinion…). 3 Things were specified in this chapter:
1. the fact that Negi is 100 times stronger than Mana seems rather consider only her human form, not her Mazoku form as I thought, you were so right Ranzuki ^^. Which have more sense after all, when you think of Mana as the purpose was to give Tota a starting point to compare it with Negi. Now the only comparison he has is Mana in her human form. This probably would not interest that Mana includes in her calculations, her true level since Tota has not seen her in mazoku form. Besides, she mentions Raitei Soso and I do not think that in Mazoku form she would be unable to see his movements.)
2. Mana does not associate director but director BUT it is so only for a short time and in addition it is so only temporarily (a mission?). This therefore makes it much more believable in her absense during zombie attack. In addition it is stated that she has just returned from a travel (another mission?)
3. Well yes, the tournament will take place in Mahora and only the final is at the top of the tower. I guess the arc’s antagonniste will derail things and the tournament will be interrupted. I do not see Tota go on the tower like that, not in this context. If the entire tournament took place at the top of the tower okay, but then it is almost certain that something will postpone projects of Tota
1. Again you are missing the point here it’s not about Nekketsu being a Nekketsu but it’s about you defending that UQ Holder is a Nekketsu while you criticize the harem aspect of Negima whether it’s only your opinion or not is not the issue here you go around ranting against people who has particular dislike for Touta not only Dargor and OverMaster but also people like Astro and Ragna trying to tell them about Touta and his connection to the concept of Nekketsu. I even saw you trying to use personal insults against the haters like Dargor but guess what? It is their opinion to hate UQ Holder so if someone calls you out for liking Touta and disliking the harem concept of Negima don’t try to go around trying to back off that it’s only your opinion as I’ve seen you try to attack the opinion of others as well. I’m only doing to you what you’re doing to them.
And no don’t try to bring up Ragna and the others on this because unlike you they don’t try to attack the opinions of people who doesn’t share the same view as them but you attack people who dislike the Nekketsu aspect of UQ Holder even a slight comment on Astro’s part regarding Touta would make you write a wall of text against him. So I just did the same thing and tried to attack your opinion for defending Nekketsu while disliking the harem concept of Negima but you have nothing to show me other than saying that your opinion is only subjective.
You’re just using another term to define negative criticism. While usually I dislike their usual complaining. Some of the points Dargor and OverMaster says are still reasonable negative criticism like Dargor’s rant about the upcomming tournament arc or OverMaster’s comment about Negi being a jack-of-all trades Gary Stu which I think was quite funny while you only try to bring up the Nekketsu aspect to counter those.
2. I searched it and I saw no result so for now all I will treat Nekketsu as typical shounen cliches unless proven otherwise. Since you are the first one to bring up Nekketsu it’s your job to prove that term exist in the Japanese web. Saying that you don’t know Kanji is not an excuse otherwise stop using the term.
3. It’s not even about taste anymore at this point, it’s about meeting reader’s expectations or even exceeding their expectations. When you expect UQ Holder to be a dark series based on the promising first chapter it had and went completely downhill in the slums arc and started to follow usual shounen cliches known as Nekketsu which includes tournaments you know that it’s bad. If you actually noticed the very first few chapters of UQ Holder gained a lot of discussion but right now it has lost a lot of interest of the readers. And I don’t have any idea what you’re even trying to say in your last sentence.
4. I even said myself that a cliche harem can be bad in the same way a cliche shounen adventure in which case it’s the same thing as following the Nekketsu format for the sake of convenience. And again if you still don’t get it then I will repeat. It may have been your opinion but you yourself are attacking the opinions of people who dislike this manga while at the same time you use Nekketsu cliches to justify it. If I don’t see you doing that even if you dislike the harem aspects of Negima then I don’t have the reason to criticize you. Again, Ragna and Astro do not try to force their opinion into others like you do whenever someone makes a negative comment about Touta. While I already point out the positive aspects of the Negima which for one dialogues and interactions that you won’t see on your typical Nekketsu or some people just prefer chapter that are slice of life. I don’t have a reason to call him out as he states his opinion for himself. I think we can both agree that it’s unreasonable to ban lolicon and shotacon.
5. I already stated my opinion about Ragna and I don’t have problems with him as he doesn’t write wall of text trying to educate people about Nekketsu.
Because Negima already had an established fanbase but it’s also possible to satisfy the newer fans while also satisfying the older fans. In short, you don’t try to fix things that isn’t broken. I do complain about Kodansha in the past and they are the reason to blame why Negima ended but Ken Akamatsu did made a promise in the end of volume 38 that Negima has a possiblity to return and everyone was expecting it but instead we got UQ Holder.
“Everyone, thank you for your long-lasting patronage. “Mahou Sensei Negima!” which has continued for 9 years, will come to a temporary stop at volume 38. By “temporary”, I mean the series will be revived sooner or later. To put it like Chao, the conclusion shown in this volume is merely one of several parallel worlds. “Negima!” still has far more undiscovered mysteries that would easily surpass 100 volumes in length (lol). However, given that the multimedia franchise has met a thorough completion and that I was able to see the “B Version Ending” in the movie, I decided to depict a conclusion for the original story as well. If, in the future, you happen to see a new episode of “Negima!”, I would be ever grateful if you could take it into your hands. One of your remaining questions may just melt away.”
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/05/19-1/ken-akamatsu-remarks-on-the-possibility-of-returning-to-negima-manga
6. I never said you have to put 31 female on the spotlight but if Negima originally intended to have 100 volumes then that should be enough to develop all of the characters.
For one the male to female ratio of UQ Holder is completly imbalanced which something a typical Nekketsu does.
Now to address those points. Yes, Eva saved the group we know she’s a high level fighter but you know what the series did to Eva? Instead of being one of the main characters she was reduced as a mere side character. Karin is your typical Kuudere character but the bad thing about her is she is underdeveloped and she doesn’t get the same spotlight Touta or even Kuroumaru have. And why do I have to be patient towards Kirie? I could and I would judge UQ Holder’s treatment of female characters based on the current chapters it has.
7. You read Fairy Tail despite the fact you know it’s a bad manga. Do I need to say more? Haha. Well seriously speaking I guess your bad English made me misunderstand what you’re trying to say and honestly speaking my eyes hurt trying to figure out what you’re trying to say.
As for Magi and Shaman King I specifically only made a comment about the MC both those respective series have and not the direction it went through. I was 8 or 10 years old when I first saw Shaman King but my only comment about it is how Yoh has a unique personality compared to the likes of your generic Nekketsu MC. You may say that he is naive but he was calm and laid back and certainly not stupid. And I think we can agree that Aladdin is not your typical Nekketsu MC as well.
8. Again, why does it have to be tournaments? Do you realize that’s basically repeating an already established idea? When it was used in DBZ it was 25-20 years ago, when it was used in Naruto it was 12-10 years ago. Now you want authors to repeat this formula for the sake of convenience instead of being creative? Why can’t we have something new? Even if you say that it’s somehow connected to the plot it doesn’t change the fact that tournaments exist as a convenient way to show off fights.
9. I never said that you said Mana did not progress what I’m trying to say is if Mana like you said was refering to her Mazoku form and Negi became 100 times stronger than her in that form then that means you are implying that she she never got stronger because let’s face it if you believe Negi was 100 times stronger than her Mazoku form is the same as saying she never had any progression either that or you’re going to continue the Nekketsu logic behind power-ups.
Your 10 times argument is only a theory do not try to bring that kind of stuff in a discussion. Unless you’re related to the author or know what the author is thinking.
But seeing chapter 63 has resolves this issue then I won’t argue with this anymore and it seems like I was right all along as Akamatsu in Negima was consistent so you don’t have to bring up the ridiculous code of Nekketsu to justify in case that Akamatsu became inconsistent.
10. Reread my post at section 1 and 4 then you’ll see your answer.
11. Nekketsu is a genre? How can you be so sure it’s not just a fan term to describe the collective cliches you see on a Shounen manga? You never gave me proof that it exists in the Japanese web or even how the Japanese fans calling it as an official term. It even says in the French wikipedia page which is likely your source that sports and mecha can be a Nekketsu.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dnen
Don’t try to act that I am not aware of the fact that Shounen, Seinen, and Shuojo are demographics but do not also try to act that Shounen, Seinen, and Shoujo are exclusively refered by fans for demographic purpose. When one person says Shoujo manga they instantly think of a romance manga in a female’s point of view but if you simply say romance manga it can be a romance manga in a male’s point of view if you don’t try to specify that it’s Shoujo. It’s been a convenient way to describe the genre despite the fact that it refers to demograhpics. Moreover I am perfectly aware that there are Light Novels that has Shounen tags but I’m going to ask you this? Do you think Toaru Majutsu no Index generally attract the same audience as Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach? Of course not because despite being a shounen it doesn’t have the same elements lightnovels possess otherwise a lightnovel like Toaru Majutsu no Index, Highschool DxD, or Shakugan no Shana would share the same fanbase as Nekketsu manga but we know that’s not the case because it has certain elements that To-Aru has that those 3 doesn’t and that is fanservice, moe, and to some extent better treatment of female characters which the demographics aimed at Seinen usually prefer hence why Light Novel fans tend to be more mature fans as it appeal to much older fanbase regardless of the demographic tags. Why do you think there aren’t any Light Novels as mainstream as the likes of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, or Fairy Tail? Heck, you said it yourself Akame ga Kill and Death Note was labeled into the category of shounen despite having a mature story and is generally attracting more mature fans while something like Kuroshitsuji has shounen tag but it attracts mainly females. Now how does my statement relate to Negima? Negima has managed to attract fans coming from both sides from Light Novel fans regardless if it has a shounen or seinen tag and at the same time it manage to attract the Nekketsu fans especially during the magic world arc. Again, something UQ Holder failed to do. And no, I’m criticizing Nekketsu simply because it’s entire concept generally meant to appeal to kids and teens big difference where you have a manga that has shounen tag but somehow you attracted the wrong audience in which case you gave Akame ga Kill and Death Note as an example. Also this is not to say that all Light Novel itself has to be mature but the fans generally are. You see the key word I used here? Which I said generally. Which is why bad light novels usually gets buried while something like Fairy Tail or Bleach can still stay on top because Nekketsu manga readers are more tolerant compared to Light Novel readers.
12. There are quite a lot of anime and manga I need to catch up so I won’t be able to respond to you right away in case you made another wall of text response and I don’t want this debate to get in the way of my enjoyment so I will reply to you in 3-5 days depending if the response you’ll give me is worth a reply.
No I do not intend to answer all. You’re not going might not believe me but write texts walls is not my favorite hobbies lol. Also it seems that we disagree on fundamental issues (or so was a terrible misunderstanding, as in the case of my old conflict with Ragna). In any case it is difficult for us to find a concilation in our opinions. It is best to leave it there .. I would say just briefly to 3 of your points among the 12:
1. The problem I have with Overmaster and Dargor that was precisely the way they speak is sometimes so aggressive (especially Overmaster in fact, I have not forgotten the time he treated fans UQ “sheep”). Therefore it is sometimes difficult for me to find out if they just express their avies or if they want to impose them. I can also misinterpret about them is possible (after all it was the case for Astro and Ragna, who not only did not impose their views but also appreciate UQ Holder ^^). That’s the problem.
5. Well yes, but if you read carefully the declaration of Akamatsu, it does not say that should have been Negima lasted 100 volumes. He says that if he really wanted to explain everything, it should AT LESS 100 additional volumes. This is not quite the same.
Other hand I have always interpreted his statement to mean a possible sequel to “Fantasy universe of Negima”. And not as an announcement of a resumption of direct Negima strictly speaking, as Shaman-King Kang-Zan-Bang, which tells the true ending of Shaman-king, for example. There was no evidence that he had promisde a “Negima II”. He promised continuity to the universe. This is the case.^^
In other words, yes, I have always felt (and hope) something similar to UQ Holder for the future. I could feel it coming, in addition Akamatsu looked really tired of the harem genre, from what showed the last quarter of Negima and recent interviews. In addition is consistent with the author’s habits. His manga are all in the same universe but with different heroes and different contexts. And whatever people say Negima already had an epilogue.
7. Ahahaha, no I do not read fairy-tail, from Tartaros arc. But I listen to the reviews scans of a francophone youtuber of Belgian origin, (very funny and friendly, knowing to be critical without being acerbic ^^ (besides he does not make only reviews of Fairy-tail. He makes reviews about other manga too ^^) so I am aware of what is happening.
There!
Mahora magic tournament I’m guessing the others will be joining in like karin and kuromaru.
So a killer move… Besides raiten taishou and it’s version 2 negi also had his oken and shundo I which he mastered.
If alberio appears and turns into negi this would be interesting xD… Either way I expect either a finishing/killer technique though with no weapons allowed in negi time during the tourney I guess tatsumiya going to teach magic absorption aspect of magia erebea
Idem.
Even if I’d prefer that Tota learn to use Magia-Erebea a different way from that of Negi. Invent other techniques. For example by directly absorbing the energy of the stars (as it will eventually go into space it’s logical ^^).
But I do not think Mana is going to be the mentor of Touta (although I like the idea!). Since the end of Fate’s arc Juuzo we are presented as the most likely candidate. I think that will be the one who will learn how to wield the Magia Eerebea for Tota;.
BUT I think it is quite possible that Mana teaches Tota several useful chosess.
And yes, I too would like Albireo appear and invoke the “memory” of Negi to fight Tota.^^ If would be a perfect “torch trensfert”, a beautiful transmission of heritage…
I appreciate the opportunity that to happen. ^^
To me, Albireo doing the same thing in this tournament would be too much recycling Negima, and far too predictable.
I understand those who would enjoy such a homage, but I’d rather have an entirely different event happening for the finals.
Hello my friend !
It would please me too. That things are going the same or differently ways, both options seem interresting to me. ^^